I have almost no social life, I have (currently) no girlfriend and I live far from my family, therefore I have no problem with them 
I want to succeed. TUER is far from being a complete first person shooter and the remaining bugs in the mouse input are quite demoralizing.
This topic concerning TUER has been moved without my approval, it does not respect the following rules written by Demonpants:
[quote]Who decides when a WIP is ready for Games Showcase?
You decide the difference. The distinction between WIPs and Games Showcase will not be moderated
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Therefore, this topic must be moved back into the showcase section immediately.
I need some support, please protest. A quite stable and playable version that does not rely on JMonkeyEngine is still available, that is why my game has nothing to do in the WIP section whereas I have worked on it since October 2006, I have already explained it several times. The viewpoint of the author should always be respected when it deals with whether to move his game in the WIP section.
I have NEVER asked anyone to put my game into the WIP section, is that clear?
Julien, you remember that post I made about forum etiquette? Thereâs an old, old bit of internet etiquette about âshoutingâ which I was alluding to, which tends to ruffle peopleâs feathers up the wrong way and make moderators extra cross.
Personally I think that this thread should have been moved here long ago. Itâs 21 pages of you mostly talking to yourself about tiny changes to a game youâre constantly working on and 95% of the time the game has been almost totally unplayable by any reasonable definition of the word. If you want to put a game in the showcase, then draw a line under it and release it.
Cas 
My game should not have been moved to the WIP section without my prior consent, it is a violation of the JGO rules. My game must be moved back to the showcase section at first in order to come back to a regular situation and only at this time a decision will be made concerning whether or not to put it into the WIP section both by the concerned moderators and by me. Nobody should accept that some moderators wrote some rules and some other moderators do not respect them arbitrarily.
I respect your opinion but I already know it, there is no need to repeat it and this is not the problem. The move of a game to the WIP section is up to his author, not to a single moderator without the prior consent of his author.
Edit.: The version of TUER that does not use JMonkeyEngine is ugly, boring, etc⌠but playable, there is a start, an end, a menu, you have something to do, there are some living enemies, you can die, you can shoot, it is tiny but in my humble opinion it is a âgameâ whatever you say. This version has been frozen for months. However, as I already said, I admit that the version that uses JMonkeyEngine is unplayable. Therefore, there is a playable version and there is an unplayable version. Please donât take it bad, I think that we should discuss about this aspect only once it will be time to make a fair decision and it requires my game to be put back into the showcase section in order to respect the rules.
I think it is an absolutely reasonable decision. This thread goes on and on and has no place in a showcase of completed work. Why not post a showcase thread with a permanent link to a current release, and keep this thread out of the way in the WIP section so you can carry on posting to it as you make tweaks here and there and expound upon your confusion with mouse input etc.?
Cas
It is not a reasonable decision as it does not respect the rules of the WIP section.
I already evoked something like this some months ago but it would be a bit confusing to have a single game with a thread in the showcase section and another thread in the WIP section, wouldnât it? I admit that it would be a far better solution than putting the whole game into the WIP section. I plan to separate the source code into 2 distinct branches, the âalphaâ branch that deals with the playable (frozen) version and the âbetaâ branch (that is currently less stable than the alpha branch unlike what I planned) that deals with the current unplayable version. It would allow to have a showcase thread for the playable version and a thread in the WIP section for the unplayable version. When the âbetaâ branch is playable, I will update the showcase thread and I will use the WIP section for the first release candidate until it is playable and so on⌠Is it what you meant?
I dunno⌠if itâs going to just keep on changing in tiny increments then donât put it in the showcase section. Get it to the point where it is complete and finished and then post there.
Cas
Oh, I wasnât aware that Demonpants had said that, and I apologize for going against what was said by another (much more active) admin.
Personally, I think that there should be some moderation between the two forums so people who are looking to play finished games can go look in one forum, and people who are more interested in technology demos and promising concepts can look in the other. I will discuss this with Demonpants.
Iâll leave this thread here for now, but I wonât be offended if it gets moved back.
Ok, moved back to return to original state. However, this brings up a good issue. We may be changing the policy on this to allow mods to move threads if they feel strongly about where they sit.
As for TUER, you can not argue against the fact that it is a WIP. In fact, I think I have only ever been successful in running it one time.
As for the demand of what MUST be done, sorry, it doesnât work that way. We could very well just change the rules, at our discretion, period. However, it has never been the position of any of us to do these sorts of things without community input.
So, your thread has been moved back to the showcase per the CURRENT policies.
The download time is sometimes a bit long like other games using JOGL through Java Webstart (Millenium Pacman has the same symptom), it has nothing to do with the game itself. My figures (I used AWStats when I was hosted by Tuxfamily) showed that thousands of people succeeded in downloading it completely (JOGL JARs and natives are downloaded before my own JAR, AWStats showed me how many people succeeded in downloading fully this JAR and therefore all necessary resources of my game) and if you have any doubt, you can give it a try once again: http://tuer.sourceforge.net/tuer.jnlp
Now, this thread is back in its original section, we can discuss about the policies, etcâŚ
I have just created a separate branch for the previous version of the game, I have just removed the useless menu items and a few useless things. I will deploy this build later. I consider this previous version as a valid candidate for the games showcase whereas the current version is unplayable (you flip around yourself when you try to shoot, it does not work under Vista, âŚ) and has nothing to do here. In my humble opinion, it is a good compromise instead of putting the both versions into the WIP section.
Edit.: the artist has left the project 
Hi!
I am sorry, I have overestimated the reliability of Java Webstart under Windows Vista (I hate using it, Iâll be authorized to switch back to Linux in 3 months). I tested TUER this afternoon at work and it crashed the first time, I got something like:
[quote]java.util.zip.ZipException: invalid entry size
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but the second time, it worked like a charm⌠after 20 minutes of loading :â( I have never got this exception under Linux. These problems have nothing to do with my game, it is not a bug of my game, it only means that I have to use something else to deploy and install TUER.
Good news
Ok it is useless but I had 1000 FPS with an NVIDIA Quadro FX 1800 (integrated graphics chip) ;D
TUER is a work in progress, is it not ?
its not a final product/game
you can one even argue with that
The TUER version that does not use JME 2 is not a work in progress, it is a game and this version sometimes crashes during the installation because of this bug of Java Webstart, I cannot argue that it is still a work in progress as it is frozen, it is a tiny final product.
I honestly cant understand that argument
I for one would be embarrassed to show something in the games showcase that isnât a solid final product
of course back when the TUER thread was made there was no WIP section
[quote]Who decides when a WIP is ready for Games Showcase?
You decide the difference. The distinction between WIPs and Games Showcase will not be moderated
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Also: I could be wrong, but I understand it like: the people decide. Not only the developer.
Somehow I thought âyouâ stands for âthe communityâ.
I think that changing it without you consent was wrong.
although, there has b een a whole page just arguing about it. and it is almost everyone v you. so if all of the people who would test/give feedback dont like you. Then they are less likely to check out your game after an update. So it is in your best interest that you comply with the majority.
I see what you mean but as I already said, the TUER version that does not use JME 2 is a extremely tiny game (it can be considered as a casual game) but it is a game, it works, it has its coherence. If I only provided a single unstable version with nothing to do, it would be legitimate to put it into the WIP section.
The language is an approximation as Chomsky wrote.
That is my feeling as you already know it.
No, the audible English-speaking majority that posts here consider the both versions of TUER as unfinished programs rather than games whereas the first version of TUER appears in some casual gaming websites (including the Linux Game Tome) because some moderators consider this version as a game and even kingaschi asked me once if I plan to add my game into the Java Game Tome
Any change of section concerning my game should not be done without my prior consent even though it does not comply with the majority except if my game became a threat for JGO itself. You wonât convince me. I think that what I do is fair and I have already suggested an intermediary solution consisting in putting only one version of TUER into the WIP section while keeping another one (the more stable and the more complete) into the showcase.
I feel bad that this got moved to WIP. Maybe make a new topic for your frozen one and ask for it to go in the showcase?
yeah well if those are entirely different games, why are not named like TUER 1 and 2 ? =P
It might be better to consider it a compliment. Anything that is a piece of art tends to get constantly worked on and improved, even many classics from the old masters.