This is one of the worst feelings i ever had

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#1

Hello JGO,

I have no idea if this subject has been discussed here before and neither if we are allowed to talk about it here or not, but am going to start this topic anyway and i hope i got some wise answers, as always.

2 days ago some of my friends initiated a discussion about the deep web, and just like every time this subject is brought, people tend to start using their imagination a little bit more than usual, since it’s something that is supposed to be invisible then you can start claiming any sort of things and just say that the others are not good enough to find it, however, this time i was discussing it with someone that i don’t think he tend to act like that, and he told me that he found things that i REALLY thought that they existed on Hollywood movies or some CriminelMinds-Like TvShow. So i decided to make a little dive in what’s called the deep web, and i wish i didn’t…

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The question is, why does this shit exist ??? and am not talking about the sick people who are doing it, no these are sick and they will always continue to exist, am talking about those who have the power, FBI, NSA, CIA, Interpol, the coon, anyone??
is it really that hard to shut this f**kers down ?? they are using the internet right ? and they need internet providers right ? so there is surely a way to track them down or at least shut down these websites, no ? am not a big fan of the conspiracy theory, but, they are not ignoring and/or supporting this right ?

Thank you.

#2

Do you want the government to arrest everybody who has a flu, to prevent it from spreading?
There is too much of this and it is coming from everywhere. There is no way to stop it.

#3

Welcome to the internet?

That’s sadly the downside to free information, if there’s a demand/interest for it from anyone, it does exist and you can find it. (Hell, look at all the wacky porn you can find!) Best bet is to just not look for it if you don’t want to see it, but there’s no way to really stop it without turning the internet into what China has done with it inside their country.

The extreme videos (like the pedo and murder videos) are more up to the actual police force to track down and arrest these people for breaking the law during the production of the videos (and they do when they can). But with billions of people using the internet from all over the world, there’s just no way to find/catch everyone and censoring the web is not a viable/realistic option. So we’re stuck in a situation where videos like these exist, so the only real option is to let the internet-police do their job the best they can, and don’t give the websites free traffic.

#4

Looking at these materials and possessing them is actually a crime, which you just admitted to commit. Don’t think too lightly of this. I have moderated your post. Your browser cache now contains these materials, which means you have these files in your possession. Call me an idiot, but given how the police treats people with such files, even after deletion, and how it may totally destroy your life, I’d destroy the harddisk. No kidding. You wouldn’t be the first to end up in prison over a ‘mishap’.

#5

Since Riven moderated it and didn’t say what it showed, I dont know, keep that in mind.

Talking about german media/internet law, since thats the only I had training in.

Looking is never illegal by german law, possession can be, but thats pretty rare.

By german law this is not the case, as many ruling have showed. It is a technical detail that is a byproduct of “streaming” and streaming by definition is always allowed, which includes copyrighted movies and stuff. (I know in Japan this is not the case)
But they can just confiscate your PC, put the files on there and say you had them. What are you going to do ?

If anyone and/or the police has a reason to get you, I totally agree. ( Again not knowing what the content entails, but I can imagine)
Also by destroy, just if anyone would actually need to, I would recommend scrambling first because if you just smash it with a hammer you could recover it, but a complete randomization of all the bits would be more safe.

To answer the question
why arent those with power doing something ?
Well those with power, even or especially those that claim to be ‘just’ only have their own interests and are not at all interested in making the world a better place
by now, like 20 years after the fact, due to snowden finally its out in the opening whats going on with the NSA…

Its actually very simple: Why would they help ? Looking at it purely logical and without morals. If it benefits you and you can look like a hero on the way, sure, but why if there is not reason too.

#6

[quote]Looking at these materials and possessing them is actually a crime, which you just admitted to commit.
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it depends on what you mean by “looking”, i think the law is talking about the intention to look at these materials and not the fact of just looking, and the same goes for possessing.
I didn’t search for any of these, in fact, i found everything on Reddit, and i was like “wtf :o ??”, some post there, that is meant to solve a technical problem using some sort of proxy, in that post a guy/or girl posted a link to what is called the hidden wiki and the titles there were too bad to ignore…
PS:
i didn’t spend more than 10 minutes (including the time i lost conscious :stuck_out_tongue: )

[quote] Best bet is to just not look for it if you don’t want to see it
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but what about all these kids :frowning: ?
pfff… this is really messed up…

[quote]by now, like 20 years after the fact, due to snowden finally its out in the opening whats going on with the NSA…
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i never was 100% against the NSA, in one condition, they have to protect everyone, not only their interests, but it seems that the only solution is to bring Harold Finch and his machine to life…

[quote]Why would they help ? Looking at it purely logical and without morals. If it benefits you and you can look like a hero on the way, sure, but why if there is not reason too.
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you know, i never was a religion guy, but sometimes, i wish that all religions are true and that one day these sick people will enjoy the most painful pain of all time in Hell.

[mad world]

#7

Still curious what you are taking about.
Although I’m not concerned with it being illegal, I am about my mental health. Even though I have probably seen it all - don’t need to see it again

#8

What did you expect?

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#9

I’ve not seen anything like I imagine you saw because I’ve chosen not to go to such places, however I have seen some pretty messed up stuff on the internet. It happens, it’s there. It can get complicated to eradicate such things because it depends where the server is, who owns it, and so on. Best just to ignore it IMO.

#10

[quote]Still curious what you are taking about.
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about this

[quote]The extreme videos (like the pedo and murder videos) are more up to the actual police force to track down
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unfortunately i’ve seen a very extreme video and couldn’t even finish it, but the worst thing is that i saw the source of it, a forum with thousands of posts that probably each post contain things similar or worst than this. I always thought that this kind of things are very very rare, to the point that i only heard about it in movies, TvShows or in the worst case, in wikipedia while reading a page about some psycho serial killer, but the fact that this things exist by this amount is very terrifying, seeing the images is disgusting by all meaning of this word, but realizing that there is a lot more is very hard to accept.

[quote]I am about my mental health. Even though I have probably seen it all - don’t need to see it again
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I know what you mean, and actually i think that i may need a therapist.

[quote]What did you expect?
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[quote] It can get complicated to eradicate such things because it depends where the server is, who owns it, and so on. Best just to ignore it IMO.
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Please do not be offended guys, but, you are kidding right ? you want to tell me that we are able to create computers that make millions of calculations per second, space stations, advanced vehicles and weapons, medicals and drugs, extremely complicated architectures, and more and more, but it is impossible to put all this motherfuckers in jail :expressionless: ?

#11

[quote]I know what you mean, and actually i think that i may need a therapist.
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No, you don’t. :wink:

Correct.

The world doesn’t seem to work the way you think it does, you can’t just say “we have supercomputers, so why isnt this problem solved?!!!” those are 2 completely different issues.

#12

[quote]No, you don’t. :wink:
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i hope so.

[quote]Correct.

The world doesn’t seem to work the way you think it does, you can’t just say “we have supercomputers, so why isnt this problem solved?!!!” those are 2 completely different issues.
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I get your meaning, but i think you didn’t got mine, am not saying that because we have super computers then automatically we are able or we have to solve this problem, what am saying is that we dedicated ourselves to solve problems way more complex than this and it ended up with an epic success, while in this problem everyone think that the best thing to do is to just ignore, and i think that this is because 99% of the people doesn’t know that such thing existed and even if they did, they just build their own ideas about it cause they never saw how cruel and dark it is, Am very sure that with the right media coverage this thing can be killed.

#13

This stuff comes from all over the world though, very different people and groups. Who to attack?

On top of that I think the US should butt out of the affairs of others anyway.

They are not even getting those girls in Nigeria so hunting wird Internet people all over the globe would be a stretch.
And of course the videos and documents of these things make up only a tiny fraction of actual events…

#14

No, you don’t. :wink:
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Rayvolution, are you an actual mental health professional, or are you just confusing yourself with your avatar?

I think checking in with a mental health pro to talk about some of this crazy stuff makes a lot of sense. For one thing, a professional should know something about the legal context as well as the health issues. If you were in the USA, with the new ACA law, health plans now include mental health coverage.

I have no idea what the situation is in Tunisia.

I would take Riven’s advice seriously.

#15

Rayvolution, are you an actual mental health professional, or are you just confusing yourself with your avatar?

I think checking in with a mental health pro to talk about some of this crazy stuff makes a lot of sense. For one thing, a professional should know something about the legal context as well as the health issues. If you were in the USA, with the new ACA law, health plans now include mental health coverage.

I have no idea what the situation is in Tunisia.

I would take Riven’s advice seriously.
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Actually I am studying for a PhD in Psychology, and my statement still stands. There’s nothing wrong with this kid, he’s just after validation of his feelings about the situation, and he wants a little attention on the side, thus the very hyperbolic statements to get a reaction from us.

If he is truly deeply bothered by the imagery (and I don’t believe he is), unless he if going to harm himself or others, he shouldn’t just run off and get therapy anyway. He should try to handle it himself first. You don’t run off to a therapist every time you see something a little scary or disturbing, you learn to handle it like an adult. If you can’t, then you need the therapist. I’m sure he’s going to be just fine without anyone’s help.

#16

Resolving your own problems, by yourself, is the way to improve yourself imo :point:
Of course there’s a limit to that, but you know your own morals best. There’s messed up stuff all over the world, what you can do is not let it affect you being the best you can :slight_smile:

#17

Psychology is a very broad field, most of which does not pertain to this situation. So, that answer was kind of ambiguous. Are you in fact studying to be a mental health practitioner of some sort?

I acknowledge you wish to let your comment stand, but my concern about it stands on two counts.

(1) We don’t know everything that is going in in the OP’s head. We don’t know that it was merely “a little scary or disturbing.” (I’m not as willing as you are to make that conclusion, based on scant evidence.)

(2) Your attitude towards consulting a mental health professional seems to me to have a negative stigma on it. A consultation can go a long way to getting context and perspective. A consultation is not years of Freudian analysis, nor is it some sort of admission of moral weakness nor a giving away of one’s own power. If the situation is as “minor” you assume it to be, a single meeting would suffice and be informative.

@Jimmt, sure it is good to be self-sufficient. But a lot of times, friends, colleagues, specialists, knowledgeable people can be a huge help. And moral questions have both a personal and a social part, and on occasion can be difficult and deep.

“There’s messed up stuff all over the world” and we all have to deal with our own consciences as to the extent to which we lift a finger to try and do something or not. Sometimes “being the best you can” means allowing yourself to be affected, and channelling the outrage or disgust into positive motivation and actions.

#18

If you can’t or are unwilling to follow Riven’s advice then minimally you should download http://sourceforge.net/projects/eraser/ assuming you’re on windows, ensure all your browser info has been nuked and at least run the 35-pass method. This is like sticking a band-aid on an open knife wound but’s better than doing nothing.

Why does crap like this exist? Chances are some policing authorities are aware of what you’ve looked at. Lack of manpower, crossing international boundaries, tracking down where the people actually are, etc. etc. It’s a problem.

A huge additional problem here is piracy. Victimless crime right? Well everyone that thinks it’s okay and/or does it themselves are giving a helping hand to truly sick people by building better and better tools to pass around “illegal” content. Pirates can the get lastest game/series/movie and guess what? Other people can get what they have a jonze for.

#19

I have nothing against consulting metal health professionals nor do I have any negative stigmas against it, I have something against people who run to them like babies every time they can’t handle the smallest of little problems instead of making an attempt to resolve their issues. Yes, he could be royally screwed up in the head, but the reality is he probably isn’t. Thus, that’s why I said that unless he is going to do harm to himself or others, he should just deal with it himself. If he can’t handle it himself, then and only then he should seek help.

Trust me, you’re picking at an argument with the wrong person here. I’m plenty educated on the various facets of Psychology, both clinical and research related. I’m running my opinions based off the tone of the OP and generalized statistics. The chances of him actually being mentally damaged and needing actual help over this ordeal are probably an insignificant percentage.

I’m not being callus or cruel about this, I’m being realistic. Don’t baby the baby unless the baby is actually in need of help. Me claiming he’s probably fine is making the same assumptions you are making that he may not be, the only difference here is there’s a much, much greater chance I am the one who is right.

#20

[quote]This stuff comes from all over the world though, very different people and groups. Who to attack?
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I think that if each country try to give this problem some attention then things can get better, cause that is the main problem, i really NEVER heard about anyone talking about the dangers of these websites before. Some idiots in the U.S (i read about others in France too) these are doing their best to prove that video games are a real danger for “your” kids but no one is even trying to move about this problem ? that’s “weird”

[quote]I have no idea what the situation is in Tunisia.

I would take Riven’s advice seriously.
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I appreciate Riven’s advice and yours too, but as i mentioned before, according to the law (our law) i didn’t commit any crime, i don’t posses these things (posses in the real meaning of it, not just a browser cache) am also not “commercializing” these things nor enjoying watching them.

[quote]Resolving your own problems, by yourself, is the way to improve yourself imo :point:
Of course there’s a limit to that, but you know your own morals best. There’s messed up stuff all over the world, what you can do is not let it affect you being the best you can :slight_smile:
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How can i explain this :stuck_out_tongue:
The problem is that i was always thinking that such things doesn’t exist, not by this amount at least, i always thought that men worst behavior can happens only during wars, which somehow i believe that there is a reason to do anything, good reason or bad reason, that depends on the angle you are looking from, but this, is BAD and there is no reason to explain it, and it literally got into my mind from no where, it’s very chocking, i can’t find a stronger word to explain it.

@Rayvolution & @philfrei
maybe i don’t need a therapist but i surely need someone to talk with about these things, and when i did, the first thing i noticed is that people doesn’t react seriously to the problem, some even laughed, some others start to run to their religions assuming that this things happens cause these people doesn’t have religion (sometimes i want to punch them right in the brain :emo: ) and others start to talk about all sort of things, from “some humans are just bad” to "Illuminati 8) " (i have no idea why lol)
that’s why i started this topic here, now for the therapy, am the kind of people who lose conscious when i saw other people in real harm, i’ll explain, for example if i watch the ultimate gore movie, then nothing will happens to me at all, but hear this [true story] once i was in the bus with 2 friends, one of them was talking about a guy who had a car accident and he start describing the effect that event does to his face… i woke up with more than 10 people looking at me and putting all sort of perfume under my nose lol
bottom of the line, the images that i saw are very very very disturbing for someone like me, and if they doesn’t go away, i will think about consulting a therapist.

thank you all.