[quote=“KevinWorkman,post:38,topic:53780”]
Says the guy demanding free labor…
I’ve honestly been trying to help you. I don’t think anything I’ve said was unreasonable. Your reaction has shown more than any demo possibly could.
1: Communities “HELP” eachother.
2: Read the title; Not looking for advice, Not yours in particular.
3: I would just contact them and ask instead of bash on them and then say I was being “constructive” when I really don’t know the person i’m talking to.
Just a note: people who’ve been around the game development communities for a while have seen a lot of such postings, and also seen a lot of such attempts to form a team, fail.
But it can work, I also saw that - even by a person who had no development skills at all, neither programming, nor sound nor gfx. But he was a brillant motivator and manager.
I’m just trying to explain why you see so much negativity here. Added on top, that you are using a selfmade engine, which usually is another indication of problems. Most of the existing engines out there include many man-years of work, and you’ll have to convince people that you could write somethign as good or better in less than two months.
As a programmer, or graphics artist, I feel also hesitent to join such offers, unless someone has a good history of interestinmg projects. Don’t need to be successful, but kind of “prrof of concept” works, so that I can develop some faith in your skills, that you can pull it off, and that I’m not working “as hard as you” for some years just to see it going dopwn the drain. On the other hand, 90% of all hobby projects go that way (mine, too).
You must get into the role of a motivator, mediator and manager. Tell why your project will be a success, why it will be fun and good to join your team, and what you’ll do better than the others, so your idea will not be in the 90% that, you know, just drie out and die in some weeks, months or years …
It’s okay ABOODYFJ. People here get VERY hostile when there’s another team building thread. Everyone has had bad experience with a “team.”
So any mention of it boils our blood.
Especially when the OP has no credit within the community.
I would at least show what your “engine” is capable of.
[quote]1: Communities “HELP” eachother.
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Exactly. So, ask yourself, what are you giving back to the community? Or are you just trying to find some free labor? Communities aren’t here for people to come use other people for their dream projects. Communities are here for people to come seek advice and information about their issues. Stealing labor isn’t helping anyone besides yourself. I would say that’s greed.
I know you’re not replying to me specifically, but:
[quote] For example, Why would I want to show work to people that are not interested in the project ?
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So they can become interested?
[quote]If someone is interested in such a thing they could contact me and talk to me and see where I’m coming from, They can then see my “framework” and my “portfolio and previous projects”…
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Why not acredit yourself and link a portfolio to begin with?
Everyone here has expressed that this would have improved their outlook on your venture.
This thread…
I get what you’re saying, And thanks for delivering your point without being so offensive.
But that’s why there’s a “private message” button; All of the problems that everyone listed could have been fixed by straight up contacting me,
I would show what I’ve worked on in the past, I’d show where I currently work.
Id tell you the concept, etc…
And if we agreed we could be bound by a contract which is why people needed to be 18.
It doesn’t need to be that hard, I guess people in this website don’t have much real life experience.
Demo was up, My other projects where also on my profile page.
Then why not create an enticing first post? Link all your previous work there, link some YouTube videos (or other video hosting service), state your plan and outline for your game etc… People come into your thread and see yet another person with an “engine” who wants free labor. Take the time to build a good opening post complete with everything a person would need to get to know your project. You, the employer, are advertising your work. You are hoping that someone will see your project, and want to help you. So why would you add the extra step of making your potential employee drag all that information about your project out of you? Why not just include that in your initial post? If you would have just presented all the information in a clean and organized manor in your first post, this would all have never happened. Forcing a potential employee to seek out information about YOUR project is a death sentence for your endeavor.
Not to mention your demo literally is just two objects. No offense, but what does that show anyone? Create a game plan. Design the basics of a level, create a rough draft of the game mechanics. As it currently stands, you have a car and a building and a “camera”. Well… alright… some 12 year olds on this forum could do that (again, not trying to be offensive), so you need to show something more. You NEED to show a demo of your GAME, not your engine.
Being an employer requires you to learn how to advertise things. It seems you don’t know how to do that, and on top of that you are just kind of rude. Calling people names is not professional, and is an instant red flag to anyone who might want to work with you. Learn how to take criticism and advice, and learn to know when you need to re-do your plan.
You keep saying that we should have privately messaged you. You posted on a public forum, and the default way to reply to a post on a public forum is by publicly replying, which we’ve done. Relying on private messages defeats the whole purpose of a public forum.
You also keep saying that I’m offensive and just bashing you. What specifically have I said that was offensive?
This thread was a good read. I learned alot actually.
ABOODYFJ, all you have done is tell us you have an engine and expect people to flock to you. Everybody on this forum could write an engine. People want a project that they can be excited about, not a belligerent leader with no credibility who expects people to work on “his” dream project for FREE.
I hope this topic gets fed to the chitchat monster. It will keep him fed for a looong time.
Yeah, it’s done. I was trying to split it but SMF interface to split is kind of clunky to do that. But then that’s a good chance to ABOODYFJ start fresh (or not)
edit: maybe it is better not to chitchat it, since other people might see this topic and get a better understanding on how to (or not to) recruit team members.
Ah, shucks. I thought some of it was useful, if not to the OP then hopefully to other people looking to build a team in the future- which is why replying publicly is better than private messages. Although, chances are they wouldn’t do the search to check for similar posts anyway…
You are right. Many people wrote valuable stuff here and spent some time doing so. It would be unfair to them.
I’m sorry about that, I’m still a little bit rusty on modding JGO since I’ve been away for the last year 
Eh, it’s no big deal. I don’t think anybody (except maybe OP) would mind seeing this one get shredded. Do whatever you think is best!
I’m just worried about losing my precious, precious medals! 
(just kidding… mostly…)
I said I had a gut feeling based on past experience, and I still have that gut feeling. Remember, most of the time even you won’t realize that’s what you’re doing.
Also, that’s why I tossed this in there, in case I am wrong, because it’s possible I just took your post out of context;
But, the fact you snapped at me the way you did sort of proves my point. You’re falling right in-line with the personalities I was referencing.
Either way, I would highly recommend getting more meat to show people before trying to put together a whole team. That, or learn the required skills yourself and don’t have a team at all.
If you are not giving whomever anything of value to work for you, do you really think someone is going to want to just join in on your project which has no progress at all besides this “engine” you’ve made?
These threads are literally the equivalent of you going up to random people on the street and saying “excuse me sir, I have a business idea but no money, will you get me all the supplies to build a building for my business for free, oh could you also build the building for me for free too?”.
Now lets be real here, doesn’t that just sound absurd?
@Soul Foam
Like I said, (And showed) I already have an engine, It works just fine. And it’s ready to make a game, That is not “A business idea”, That’s the infrastructure for a building… So i’m not asking anyone to “build me a building” I am asking someone to lay the final layers of paint; I am only asking for someone to help me with Graphics design as you have noticed.
I am done replying to these stupid comments.
You are either trying to blind yourself so you can leave a meaningless comment, Or are just stupid and cannot read and understand basic English.
Any thoughts yet about what the game will be?
The only stupid comments in this thread are your ones.
The only insults in here are the ones you’re typing.
Less of your shite.
[quote=“ABOODYFJ,post:57,topic:53780”]
You just noted in the title that you’re also requesting a music composer, a “developer”, and a writer.
[quote=“ABOODYFJ,post:57,topic:53780”]
You’re essentially calling your engine a finished game (the building) and all it needs are some bugfixes (the final layers of paint). However, what you’ve presented to us is a building foundation waiting for a frame, walls, windows, etc.
It appears you either don’t have a plan, or you’re not showing it to us. You’ve built an engine, good for you but you’re thinking as if it’s a game when in reality it’s essentially a tech demo.
[quote=“ABOODYFJ,post:57,topic:53780”]
We asked for some more details about your software but apparently we all are stupid and can’t read your mind to find out about your software therefore INSULTS.
You’re asking for a team, but you aren’t even cooperative in the first place.