Preferred OS?

Eventually, eventually. :slight_smile:

I totally agree with this, though. If you’re an engineer, you can get employed, and you can probably get paid better than your current job. I’d say just give somewhere at least a year so you don’t look like you’re just going to jump ship every place.

Man, I’m totally glad I derailed this thread (it wasn’t on purpose BTW). Monsanto. Single handed savior of a billion lives and reasonable at lawsuits when faced by unreasonable farmers! Awesome! I haven’t been so amused since I saw a report on an amusement park that had Adam & Eve frolicking with dinosaurs…cause the earth is only 10K years old, ya know.

I just imagine a farmer who works for Apple getting sued by Monsanto. It would be a legal battle to end all legal battles.

Of course, any idiot knows that!

I thought it was 4400 years old?

Cas :slight_smile:

Christians believe it’s about 6000 years old ;D

Well, somebody tell them they’re wrong, it’s 4400 years old.

Cas :slight_smile:

Where did you get that number? :o

I have no idea about the planet age stuff, but I just checked and the bottom window grab area is about 2-pixels on the box I’m running. Science!

EDIT: It’s 1:30am and I can’t sleep, so applying the scientific method I’d determined that all other edges suck just as bad and the only remotely easy way to modify a window’s size is with the top corners. I’ve not modified anything about the GUI because I never do. I’ve taken a quick look around and I have to say: this is awful. If you don’t run a shell, what’s the user experience point of this? (and since I can run a shell under windows, double-plus what’s the point?) I mean everything I’ve looked at has been so dummied down that I’m not finding anything of use. Thankfully I don’t care about any of this garbage and I’ll now return to ignoring all of it.

How old are you? 70? Just count the pixels with the mouse, it’s at least 7px. That’s science. Enough to catch it, well at least if you don’t have shaking hands of a 70 years old. I actually don’t know how could something like this be a problem, I’ve never seen a problem there.

No point of an OS? Aha. That’s an argument? I mean, what’s the point of Windows or every other OS? It’s like to say, I like football (with almost everyone watching and playing it), so why do we need basketball, rugby, ice hockey etc.? The other thing is, how can’t you find anything? If you install Windows you find Wordpad and Paint as the Office Suite, with almost every Linux distribution you get the best free Office Suite LibreOffice. Same for the browser, all you get from Windows is the Internet Explorer, on Linux Firefox, Chromium or some other WebKit based browser. Do you seriously use Internet Explorer because you don’t find anything else to use and you like it? That’s for the desktop. Now to the whole market. Linux is the most widely used OS. You probably just don’t know that you use it already. It’s everywhere, servers, phones, routers, TVs, microwaves…

I don’t know what problems some of users have here, probably just too old to learn something new (e.g. in that case to get used to another OS). So have fun with Win 8 and newer. :smiley: And support the OS monopoly, it’s, you know, better when there is no choice and no open standards or software (e.g. don’t use Java, OpenGL or OpenAL for your games, Firefox, Chrome, LibreOffice, VLC etc. if you can use C#, DirectX, Microsoft Office, Internet Explorer, Windows Media Player and so on). I’m out.

Since when did counting pixels become science?

Simply put, you haven’t explored enough. On the surface, it’s very much a simple, newbie friendly interface. Beneath the surface there’s a huge amount of power, in particular when you focus on using with the keyboard (ironic given half the criticisms of Unity were that it was designed for tablets! ??? ) Just hold down and wait for the Keyboard Shortcuts page to come up, and learn how to use the keyboard to search the dash and the HUD. I find it far faster to get things done than Win 7, and that’s my key priority.

Reminds me of my favourite quote from an old Sibelius manual - “Learn to use the keyboard. Mice are evil. They spread plagues.” ;D

I guess that’s another reason it’s never going to catch on then. Why must the same lessons be learned over and over again? The mouse wins with Joe Public. You put the shortcuts in after you’ve got the mouse bit right, so the things that people find themselves doing most often can be done more quickly… after they’ve learned how and what they want to do using the mouse. There is a reason Mac OS is as successful as it is given the uphill battle it fights.

The resizing edges in Mint Cinnamon appear to be much more forgiving than Unity.
Five seconds after I post that, Mint Cinnamon locks up completely, becoming unresponsive apart from the mouse changing shape as I hover over things. Force power off. Fail.

Cas :slight_smile:

You missed my point, which was in response to Roquen’s suggestion that the interface was dummied down. Of course Unity is quick and simple to use with the mouse. It’s even quicker with the keyboard (for the power user, not Joe Public). The mouse will never be quicker to use than the keyboard, period!

Linux has a persistant problem with what I call IT Freaks.
Its the type of personalities wich cant comprehend usability and accessability.
The anti personality to Steve Jobs … guess why Apple got so much $$$

(The type of people who invent Password schemes that force passwords to be so uncomprehendable and constantly changing that people have to write them on a piece of paper,
had that in my university)

Ubuntu made a huge step in the right direction up to 10.04, then gradually moving to another
deterring field “Paternal Lecturing” , wanting to force Unity onto customers to serve a “still purely virtual” Tablet user market.
Good that MINT remines them what users actually want.
A tablet is a tablet and a PC a PC, each having different requirements on user interfaces as they are used differently.

Still I like using Linux for development and all potentially “risky” networking like online banking.

Windows is still a must to have access to the field of PC games and hardware wich just does not offer any propper Linux support.
(And if the Win-OS kills itself I can conviniently fizzle around its files using Linux…)

Good that there is a double-boot…

There’s also a lot if us who do get it!

This point is just rubbish! Unity (and Gnome 3) might reflect changes happening in the mobile / tablet space, which IMO is a good thing from a usability and familiarity point of view (Win 8 to an extent too). They are still powerful desktop interfaces - there’s a huge amount of functionality in Unity which would be defunct in a touch-only interface.

It will be an interesting year for gaming on Linux I think. Unity3D, Steam, etc. on Ubuntu.

Unity is neither suited for a Tablet (much to inconsistant, too small items, too perfromance hungry)
Nor a powerful Desktop system when a user must use more that jsut one Program,
but has to interchangably use files and handle probrams in paralel.
The old style of representing program windows simlpy works quicker.
A simple indicator beeing the drop of Ubuntu in favor of Mint.

Unity is simply a zombie between 2 worlds.
And maybe useful for a grandma who just wants to browse. But then
a concept like Chrome OS would be even better.

In your opinion! In mine, where I’m doing that day in day out, I actually prefer it to Mint for that very thing. Unity actually made me switch from Mint. I don’t assume everyone agrees with my POV - you shouldn’t either. Anyway, the representation of windows isn’t that different.

ROFL. ::slight_smile: Try looking at some actual usage stats rather than distrowatch and you won’t see such a clear picture, like the ones pointed at here. Ubuntu will ship on 5% of new PC’s this year too - Mint ships (officially) on very few (fit-pc, and?)

The numbers dont say how many use Unity.
The are also old Gnome2, KDE, XFCE and LXDE , Desktop versions of Ubuntu.

Linux i686 Ubuntu 10.04 85.5 M 0.05%
Linux i686 Ubuntu 10.10 27 M 0.02%
Linux i686 Ubuntu 11.10 31.2 M 0.02%
Linux i686 Ubuntu 12.04 33 M 0.02%
Linux i686 Ubuntu 8.04 26.6 M 0.02%
(still many old versions in this chart wich have Gnome2 as default)

Or do you know any measure on how many Unity Desktops are running?

  1. He didn’t say anything about Unity. He was just referring to stats that show the user numbers of Ubuntu and Mint to compare them.
  2. The numbers don’t even say how many Linux users have Ubuntu. For example…
    Linux Other - 1,356 M
    Linux Ubuntu - 1,088 M
    Linux Mint - 12.6 M
    So when the system couldn’t recognize the client, it just put it under “Linux Other”. Well, at least they show the relative numbers, Ubuntu has 90x bigger user base than Mint.