Preferred OS?

Or the UK :slight_smile:

Mint+Cinnamon experience: somewhat better than Ubuntu. At least it looks “familiar”. Droid Assault worked (through VirtualBox no less!) :slight_smile: Couldn’t figure out how to get OpenJDK 7 to be the default JVM - even installing it wasn’t exactly easy.

User interface, out of the box, is slightly ugly still: fonts too large by one or maybe two points. Window edges still hard to grab with mouse. Welcome screen horrible compared to Ubuntu. Colour scheme is quite nice though Ubuntu’s is slightly classier. Overall though I’d say it’s rather better than Ubuntu for being familiar in its ways rather than alien and weird.

Still hate: Nautilus, package management, general UI rough edges, ton of installed software I don’t care about which just a) confuses me and b) maybe discourages people getting better stuff if it exists (possibly?)

I looked at that Elementary OS but couldn’t quite figure out what it was supposed to be. Is it Linux based or grassroots design from the ground up?

Cas :slight_smile:

@ontaiwolf - I think the amount of choice out there is baffling to new users, to be frank; people have a great deal of difficulty, in general, deciding beyond 3 different choices (google “the power of three” for some interesting psychological insights), me included. My choice is between Windows, Mac OS and Linux, and I suspect that is the choice that faces the great unwashed at large. Adding further choice here - eg. the particular weirdy flavour of Linux, followed by a subchoice of window manager, whatever the hell one of those is (again, explain it to my mother…), and it suddenly becomes so much easier to forget the entire branch and go back to thinking, Windows or Mac OS. Mac is a no brainer because there’s only one choice, and for Windows you generally get what you’re given.

Cas :slight_smile:

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Installing is easy, just open the Software Center and search for it. You can also install OpenJDK 6 together with 7, there is no GUI to choose the default JVM but a command: sudo update-alternatives --config java

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Not with Unity, there is a bigger edge at the bottom of windows, easy to catch.

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It’s not better. It looks like Windows a little with a panel at the bottom and a usual menu. Unity doesn’t have a menu, there is the so called “dash” (with more functions than just a menu), a global menu and the launcher. It’s not worse than Windows or something else, it’s different, so you need to get used to it.

Nautilus: What is to hate about it? It’s really easy to use but still powerful.
Package managment: Seriously? You don’t like a centralized repository where you can install apps easily which will also be updated automatically?
Ton of software: There is not that much software at least in case of Ubuntu. Firefox, Thunderbird, LibreOffice, Epiphany (for chats), Rhythmbox and Totem (music and video), Shotwell (photo management), Software Center, Ubuntu One (Cloud), Gwibber (Twitter, Facebook), Transmission (Torrent) and some other tiny helper applications. That’s it actually. And why does it discourage you? Just open the Software Center and have fun, there are also user reviews and ratings, so looking for good apps is easy.

In what sad world do you live? Do you choose everything from 3 choices? When you buy a car do you choose from 3 cars, 3 colors etc.? When you go to eat somewhere, you always choose from only 3 dishes? When you watch TV, you watching only 3 shows?

You would be surprised.

Cas :slight_smile:

Yes it is OS.

Linux. I don’t remember if it’s built from ubuntu, debian, redhat or what.

Ubuntu. But they forked a lot and they have own apps. The OS looks nice but I would wait for Luna release because the stable release is based on Ubuntu 10.10 which is old and not supported anymore (I think).

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I seem to have about a 2-pixel range…I’d not call that big.

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Yeah, they’re still not easy to grab. However, I can’t remember the last time I resized a window like that. Drag to top to maximise, sides to fill half the screen - about all I do these days.

If Monsanto makes a better crop that produces food more efficiently, of course it will displace others.

Any type of forward progress is going to displace someone else.

This reminds me of a crazy rant from Jessie Jackson Jr to US congress about how the iPad was destroying jobs in the newspaper/book/magazine printing industries.

This makes me laugh everytime I hear it :slight_smile: “Download your book!! Download your magazine!!!”

Saying Monsanto “ruined the lives of many farmers” is ridiculous.

No, the company Monsanto doesn’t work like that.

If your neighbour farmer uses Monsanto seeds, and during the next years a few seeds are blown to your plot, Monsanto owns you. You have no way out, you now must pay Monsanto a significant percentage of any money you make from your crops.

Monsanto uses maffia like strategies, putting so much stress on you that you will eventually crack and sign their contract. If you don’t, they will sue your company into bankruptcy. If you have enough money to actually get legal defense, you’ll lose anyway. The lobby of Monsanto is rather… powerful.

The next year, your other neighbour is ‘infected’ with your seeds…

We’re back to companies now? :stuck_out_tongue:

Yes, because somebody was wrong on the internet!

Wow, what are the chances of that? ;D

I can catch it with my touchpad easily, I would say it’s 7-8px. The window border and the shadow of it.

This sounds like an urban myth or a conspiracy theory.

I completely agree that a farmer who chooses to not do business with Monsanto and not voluntarily use their seeds shouldn’t have to pay them money. That’s a basic tenet of how our business system works.

I just don’t believe this is accurate.

This is coming from the same crowd that thinks Valve and Steam are “good” while EA and Origin are “evil” and Microsoft’s Halo is some enshrined work of art, while EA’s Battlefield is some lens flare, dub step, evil corporation garbage.

Please tell me that’s not you or else expect my wrath.

It indeed sounds that way. In the time it took for your to write that reply, you could also have googled on the subject. There are plenty of reports on this, from reputable news sources. I’ve seen documentaries about this on TV. It really is as bad as I said.

I’ve actually heard other people tell me this, so I did a few quick Internet searchs.

Here’s one blog site that expresses this outrage against Monsanto:
http://www.osgata.org/judge-sides-with-monsanto-ridicules-farmers-right-to-grow-food-without-fear-contamination-and-economic-harm

They link the judge’s statement:
http://www.osgata.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/OSGATA-v-Monsanto-MTD-Decision.pdf

I skimmed the judge’s statement: basically, plaintiffs are suing Monsanto and requesting that the judge invalidate Monsanto’s patents because of potential blow over and unintended use.

Monsanto emphatically agrees that they won’t sue anyone based on trace content or unintended use of their transgenic seed.

The plaintiffs agree that none of them have been sued or harassed by Monsanto in any way, but they want to preemptively invalidate Monsanto’s patents. And the judge sided with Monsanto and threw out the plaintiff’s attempt to invalidate Monsanto’s patents.

This sounds like a very reasonable judge, a very reasonable Monsanto, and a completely unreasonable group of people suing Monsanto and just determined to warp the facts and complain indefinitely.

For a bit more information about them, instead of refering to a single trial:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monsanto
Obviously there are lots of links in there, to websites that dig deeper into these issues.