That would mean a lot of work, to reproduce existing functionality.
I would like to have the tittle “JGO Underlord”. “JGO Overlorderer” would be awesome,too. But I am not sure yet ;D
Home much do you get from “shameless plug”. For example if I would pay 100 cent per day.
Maybe we will add our editor to the plug, but it’s not yet finished. I would feel ashamed promoting alpha software in the shamepless plug :persecutioncomplex:
I remember back when the vault was open there were different colored dukes, so I was thinking maybe we could pay money to have themes (red duke+red theme, etc).
@Phibedy: An ad-auction works like this: your bid is 100ct for 24h. The bid of the second bidder is 15ct. Therefore you pay 16ct, for 24h. If you are outbid after 12h (somebody bids 101ct or more) then you spent 8ct for that period. Project Wonderful takes a 25% cut, so I get 6ct.
What im interested in is, what does it cost and what do i get?
The description at the moment is a little bit vague, something about 30ct and then losing airing time to someone else.
Could you give a estimate about how much airing time costs at the moment (average).
I like the idea, and i would certainly use it if i had any game finished 
Currently it’s in the $0.05-$0.15 range, so a few bucks go a long way. :point:
http://i.imgur.com/iPmX1Rx.png
Note that these numbers are the totals for 4 regions (USA, Canada, Europe, Elsewhere) so if the total for a specific ad is $0.20, that means you can most likely get the high bid for Europe at less than $0.10 / day
BTW: logged in members don’t see the header/footer banners.
You’ve got a army of programmers, put em to work. Most of us do it for free anyway.
Community projects? Donate-a-game? Allow the community to help make the site better in ways that you dont have time to?
What about contests with entry fees, maybe a 50/50 payout of whatever. I bet youd get alot of interest doing that. (Especially if you got notch to tweet a link to it).
I know most of that wont work. Just ideas.
You can… The best way I can think of is to brand donations along with PW. Most people have projects here that need that visibility. So a small percentage of it can go into a custom banner for advertising on the PW. I think just using the game thumbnail with “try this JGO game” might do exactly what you were planning for PW in the first place.
So long story short, make PW donation based. The more money you put in, the more ad space time you have. There are plenty of members who want to help shrink that burden. Making PW a perk with a generic banner if they don’t make one will help in both respects hopefully.
Probably not going to generate record sales, but it might help.
Yah, Adwords is evil. They stole £60 off me with ‘no appeal’. I still don’t know why…
I think a ‘Donate’ option would be a good idea. Nothing fancy, just an extra tab, but those of us who benefit from the wisdom herein and are doing well might think: ‘Cool! Thanks, problem solved! Here’s a little token of my appreciation.’ and drop a fiver on the site. Why not? No-one gets hurt. Do they? :persecutioncomplex:
I personally don’t think a whole ton of people here would be interested in advertising their games… Maybe it’s just me, I don’t know. Making games is fun, but I make them for myself and it really doesn’t matter to me if I never receive any sort of recognition for that. Sure, it would be fun to have a bunch of people play my game. But to me it isn’t worth it.
I would much rather donate (if you do go that route Riven, expect me to throw in some money as soon as I get my first debit card(woo!)), or like someone mentioned above, have a site wide contest with an entry fee. I love Ludum Dare, and I would sure love to go up against everyone here and try to see how well I would fare in a contest. That to me alone is worth money, and I think other people would agree.
Let people donate! This site is amazing and I would love to give back. If I had never discovered this site, I don’t know where I would be in terms of programming, if I was at all. The knowledge I have gained definitely is worth money!
There are enough security holes and potential sql injections as it is The cost of cleaning up after a hack, both in hours and in money spent, is enough to put this whole project to make money at risk. No 3rd party code is going to run on JGO, unless the site is actually hacked
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Excluding people from a contest who cannot pay the fee, feels quite harsh. So that is not going to happen
Thanks for the input though!
I have had a little ponder on this problem and I have come at it from another angle: Reduce the need to pay for bandwith.
I posit that members of this forum are more than willing to donate their spare bandwith to help reduce costs, so why not provide them with a program that will run in the background on their computers that will offload some of the bandwith.
What form this offloading will take is the question… initially I thought that they could host a webserver and then host static content but that may not provide sufficient reduction in bandiwith/server load. So my next thought was perhaps to have a faux-cloud solution where a member could host a VM which would be donated to our benevolent overload Riven to install some sort of distributed instancing of the forum and so the real java-gaming.org webserver simply redirects to one or more of these instances.
NOTE: that i have no idea on how this might be implemented
Bandwidth/datatraffic is not really the problem, and distributing webservices and databases is a lot of work.
JGO sends about 80GB per month, and the smallest Linode account features 2TB of datatraffic, so there is not a penny to save on traffic.
If we really want to save a few bucks, I could disable the Linode Backup service, which saves $5 / month, but then we really ought to have people willing to setup their servers to receive this backup, and are available nearly 24/7 in case something terrible happens to the Linode VPS.
I’m not sure saving $5 / month is worth this hassle
hmm… good point. It is a shame that there is not already a P2P cloud solution ready made which JGO could transfer to 
I could sponsor JGO. It’s not like a donation or a subscription or anything… just a sponsorship.
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How much traffic is from logged in users compared to random people? I know I wouldn’t mind seeing a couple non-obtrusive ads on here when I’m logged in, and I bet the people suggesting you take donations wouldn’t mind either (especially if you had a little link explaining why you need ads under said ad). You could even hide some of the more obtrusive ads for logged-in users.
This would help your view count on PW go up, which in turn might attract higher bids.
Of course, if logged-in users are only a small percentage of your traffic, this advice is null and void.
I’m in a similar boat with my own website (although on a much smaller scale), and I understand your hesitation to take money from the users. So maybe just showing more ads (not in-your-face ads, but PW seems pretty good most of the time) is the simplest solution?
Edit: I’m an idiot. I see now that there is an ad on the side. Talk about unobtrusive, I didn’t even notice it was there!
That’s totally unfair! I was reading about adsense and how to lift the ban and everyone says it’s impossible.
But there’s this discussion on google’s product forum:
https://productforums.google.com/forum/#!topic/adsense/BQYp_jvO13k
Maybe if you raised the matter in a new thread there then they might notice? Seems bizarre that they ban you for doing the right thing.
Accepting donations from members would be fine. For the older members here a cost of $10 per year is nothing. I’m sure there’d be at least 30 members who’d pay $10 from their paypal account to keep JGO going. That would cover costs for about the next 2 years.
Another option may be to use the community more.
I have a VPS of which I use barely 1% which could be used to host JGO. I’m sure others are in the same situation.
But the hassle of moving JGO to new hosts would be a waste of labour.
Riven, I know you are hesitant to accept money, or exclude others who have not donated etc… (which is very respectable), but I think there’s a point when you have to let that go, at least a little), so JGO can be self-funded. I would absolutely love to pay a few dollars in return for this amazing website, and I think it would be wise to accept these donations. Sure, people may only donate once, but think about all the extra money you could get by just taking donations. You never know, it may be enough to cover the costs for a while. Now I’m not saying have premium accounts, but just allow donations. I believe many people here would donate just because, and not expect anything in return. This forum is remarkably NOT selfish.
b Google AdSense Leak[/b]
Some snippets:
“We were told to begin banning accounts that were close to their payout period (which is why account bans never occur immediately after a payout). The purpose was to get that money owed to publishers back to Google AdSense, while having already served up the ads to the public.”
“We were told to get rid of as many of the accounts with the largest checks/payouts/earnings waiting to happen. No reason, just do it, and don’t question it. It was heart wrenching seeing all that money people had earned all get stolen from them. And that’s what I saw it as, it was a robbery of the AdSense publishers. Many launched appeals, complaints, but it was futile because absolutely no one actually took the time to review the appeals or complaints. Most were simply erased without even being opened, the rest were deposited into the database, never to be touched again.”
“It first began with just altering data reports for Analytics account holders that also
had an AdSense account, but they ran into too many issues and decided it would be simpler just to skew the report data across the board to remain consistent and implement features globally.
So what this means is that the statistical data for a website using Google Analytics is not even close to being accurate. The numbers are incredibly deflated. The reasoning behind their decision is that if an individual links their AdSense account and their Analytics account, the Analytics account can be used to deflate the earnings automatically without any human intervention”
Jesus f**king christ. What can we do to help?