Its possible that with the XBox720 your machine has to be “always online” AND preowned/second hand games will be blocked. So maybe XBox720 will die horribly 
Not likely though 
I of course know absolutely nothing about the subject, so were I to say that it is Linux with a Sony shell on top of it would be complete speculation that you should completely ignore.
Cas 
It won’t kill it if pre-owned games are blocked at all, just like it hasn’t killed Steam. They’ll just be making games a lot cheaper and selling most of them digitally.
Cas
Not going to happen.
If anything games will be more expensive and/or there will be more special features for additional cost, like that call of duty elite crap.
The market isn’t ready for digital only. And also Xbox720 will have a bluray drive.
I think it’s already happening. For example their PS+ service is so popular nowadays that I could imagine them taking that model to the next level. They certainly seem to be putting all the technology in place for that kind of thing too. And then there’s the self-publishing that they’re planning to do.
You’ll pay top prices for being in front of the line for new games and you’ll be nickel-and-dimed for popular online-heavy competitive games, but everything else is getting cheaper.
I’m a bit undecided if that’s a good thing though atm.
But the 2nd hand thing is about physical media.
2nd hand digital downloads never existed in MS’ and Sony’s ecosystems anyway so that’s a bit of a moot point.
Yeah but its a slow process. You cannot manually cut the rope and stop using physical media.
It has to be a naturally occurring process that the sales of physical media decline and digital really raise. Which basically means GameStop is going broke.
We are still a long way off. GameStop is doing very good and even people like me would can technological spoken "look beyond the physical, still do want a physical copy to put in a shelf.
If java does end up on the ps4 Sony will just take it away. Just like “other OS” on the ps3.
I would imagine it would be possible to use Java on PS4, provided you bought a dev-kit. However it sounds like these are still going to be moderately expensive as they have 8GB of DDR5, which must add several £100 to a base gaming PC price. Then they are charging something for the dev kit software. For reference PS3 dev-kits started at about $20,000, was slashed to $10,000 and then again eventually to $2000.
(http://gamasutra.com/view/news/187093/QA_What_does_Sonys_most_open_console_promise_mean.php#.USxZgKXaZhA)
I notice they mention Playstation Mobile there, so I had a look. £65 Publisher fee and no special hardware required allows development for the PS framework on android phones and also on the Playstation Vita. The latter is mildly interesting, but they haven’t exactly been flying off the shelves. Maybe that’s why the cost of entry is so low; Sony are hoping that an influx of indie offerings will increase interest. While it’s difficult to get excited about it, it does shed some light on the potential commercial model that could be applied to PS4 should Sony decide to go that way. (https://psm.playstation.net/portal/en/index.html#register)
Not if it’s officially included in the Sony SDK. Who knows.
I think a few of you have missed the point I was making about Java here… it doesn’t have to be blessed by Sony or even Oracle: you can just use OpenJDK and by blessed good fortune there’s already a shit-hot Hotspot VM that runs natively on the PS4’s x86-64 architecture. Granted it will be “headless” but that’s where LWJGL and JogAmp would come in.
Cas
I’m not misunderstanding you. I’m questioning why a legally binding license agreement is not sufficient “official documentation” for you? I’d rather trust that than almost anything else - it may not be 100% guaranteed, but you’d get a lot of help in any defence! 
IANAL but I’m pretty certain that GPLv2+Classpath pretty much means OpenJDK is going to run anywhere you feel like it if you can make it work provided you adhere to the terms and those terms and those terms are entirely beneficial for everybody.
Cas
Patents are largely irrelevant for the likes of me really. I’ve been hacking Sun’s JRE all over the place for 10 years right in front of everyone’s faces and they’ve either encouraged it or just ignored it.
Cas
Not with OpenJDK! You’re talking about a different patent grant here. Perhaps you should read the paragraph above the link Sven uses in bug 682.
Just a short amount of research turns up lots of information about the implicit patent grants in GPLv2, including legal assessment. You can make your own judgement about it.
The post you link to where Sven states that -
[quote] IMHO it would be very helpful if Oracle finally could turn around and give a patent grant to all products based on OpenJDK including mobile/embedded. AFAIK, the latter is excluded in their binary license terms.
[/quote]
- doesn’t make a whole lot of sense to me. OpenJDK isn’t distributed under the binary license terms, and GPL does not allow that kind of restriction.
[1] http://en.swpat.org/wiki/Oracle_v.Google(2010,_USA)
Keeping the thread aaaaliive… Java@PS4 !
Maybe we should all call and spam Sony, Oracle and the JDK Community about this.
I mean a google search on “Java PS4” or “OpenJDK PS4” brings up NOTHING, except this thread and Cas’ tweet =P
Everyone involved should at least know about the possibility.
If Markus still uses Java to some degree, maybe he could help =0
It’s unfortunate that Oracle doesn’t have a Chief Gaming Officer anymore, seeing java on PlayStation now makes more sense than ever.
I’m sure ChrisM and co would have been all over it.
Cas,
Will the PS4 be able to boot from CD?
From what I’ve read online, the ps4 just has a more powerful version of the APU in my laptop.
If it can boot from disc, we can just deploy java games on a live linux disc with no porting.
No idea. And probably not.
Cas