Anyone besides me really dislike Eclipse?

hmm visual studio failed to impress me, regarding code completion in eclipse, your the first to complain but perhaps I don’t ‘get around’ enough. Did you try to configure it to your needs?

Don’t know about that browers seem to top any ide I’ve had when it came memory requirements. If you only want some javac, jar and proguard support I can see why you’d think eclipse or any java ide is heavy as your hardly useing it at all if you only have those requirements for an ide.

It sounds like you want to program in vim.

I experienced none of that.

I dont know a lot about eclipse but a thing that afraid me is : using Eclipse and all his features too much, will maybe make the project falling in something I will call “VisualBasic trap”, wich mean that you will only be able to make modification on it using Eclipse and you wont be able to switch to another IDE if needed.

So the project wont be a java project anymore but an Eclipse project, and so will become dependent uppon Eclipse. do i am completly wrong ?

for me, a java project is a source directory (usually named ‘src’) with subfolder mirroring them respective package and at compile time it is linked to external libraries.

a question just came to me, what sun use to write JDK Api, Eclipse ?

Don’t worry, Eclipse is first and foremost a pure Java IDE. All metadata it stores is separate from the Java source you write. All the clever bits in Eclipse are to do with how it actually reads and understands your code and helps you edit it.

Cas :slight_smile:

That will not happen; all of my Java projects can export as source and Eclipse is compatible with .ANT build files too (which allow makefile style building).

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They most likely use their own IDE - NetBeans is a likely candidate :slight_smile: Star Office was created by Sun for Sun employees so that they did not have to fork out so much on Office!

just for fun, java 1.6 api compiled with JCreator ;), was a bit hard… on my 1.6 Ghz 768MB ram can’t compil the whole at once javac said system outof ressource :-\ , need to do it folder by folder… but can be done, anyways just for fun…

Does jcreator support code navigation, java searches, and refactoring?

Last time I used it, it was little more than a text editor (with syntax highlighting and light-weight project structuring support)

I think so for java search and refactoring but what do you mean by code navigation?

hum… it is still just a little more than that ;), there is still some lack of features on it, but it is so easy to use…

Officially netbeans should be used but in practice employees are free to use what they want, if I remember what jeff said right.

I use maven2 so running it in eclipse intellij or netbeans should be easy. I heared netbeans has build-in support, haven’t tried.

Sun bought Star Office, they didn’t write it.

Like I said, try IntelliJ and love it :wink:

I hope this is a joke. I am a J2EE and ASP.NET developer and I can assure you, that Visual Studio is a bug pested featureless IDE placebo. Code navigation is nearly nonexistent, Refactorings are poor, code completion is incomplete, versioning control support for SVN is a joke, it likes to freeze and eats memory like I eat chocolate (actually I sniff up chocolate). Basically I think it’s unusable without the resharper plugin, at least if you are used to the comfort of java IDEs.

I don’t know on what experience you base this statement, but I think java IDEs are quite good and powerful. Maybe the power unfolds not until you have a large project with multiple develpers and daily refactoring needs.

Buy a faster PC :slight_smile: Sorry, just joking.

Unfortunately IDEs for all languages tend to eat up memory. Take for example Visual Studio: it’s no problem for VS eating up 1.5G of ram, just for not autoclosing opened editor tabs. Regarding speed: I think todays java-IDEs are fast enough and not noticable slower than other multi-tab editors. There are occasionally freezes with most of them, which result IMHO from garbage collection or indexing of new sources. The first can be overcome by proper heap space and maybe garbage collection settings while the second opens up features, normal editors are not capable of and are desperately needed in larger projects.

Take a look at Intellij Idea. It’s not native, but it’s quite fast and has some outstanding productivity improvement features. But it’s commercial and you need to really try it out. I use it for 5 years now and I consistently found useful features by mistyping key strokes per accident til last year :wink:

Lucky you :slight_smile:

JCreator does not support refactoring or code navigation.

Ick, an error prone, tedious and manual process. Why should I have to do that when I can get it done automatically for me? Any manual process will go wrong at some point, and you’ll end up running an out of date version or unsyncronised version (and probably end up wondering why that bug still isn’t fixed). Why take the risk when getting a tool to do it automatically means it goes right 100% of the time?

hum… "…do it automatically… " what about the path you want to use ? the libraries version you need ? the jdk you want to compil with ?? the target JRE ?! how that can it be guessed automatically ?

maybe you are looking for the "SpeakToCode plugin of Eclipse that does all the things for you ? I mean no need of keyboard, just explain it and it will make the program for you :wink: , , just speak loudly “I WANT TO MAKE A FPS GAME IN 3D” , well installed this plugin works fine… :wink:

You’ve missed my point. You’re describing how you splice up your code into multiple projects so you can manually recompile a subset instead of the whole thing before launching the app. But with eclipse it automatically recompiles only the files that need changing, without needing to impose arbitrary project divisions on your source code, and without the possibility of it going wrong due to being done manually. You can’t argue that your hacky JCreator way is simpler to use than that. :stuck_out_tongue:

okies,

but for sure at least JCreator should give me a free license with all the publicity I made for them :slight_smile:

:Dlol