Any JGOs going to mars?

“It was a sound stage on Mars!”

We’re so close to uncovering the truth of the moon landing! Of course this is worth it! So signing up if I can get regular computer updates!

I know about MARS 500, but I couldn’t find any results of the experiments when I looked it up.
Maybe the just dont wanna make that data public…

Not really. You stayed around your home or well-traveled trails or you got murdered. So you were in close confines with your family pretty much all the time. You can still explore Mars, you just need to be in a suit. Similar I think.

Things break and go wrong; considering how often my pc ‘breaks down’ id call it a death trap, a quick one

Yes, for example Apollo 13 was almost a complete disaster, but they were lucky.

It would be different if the other 2 are hot chicks, and you’re supplied with all games, consoles, and tons of bacon.

Who own Mars? those people on UN will, and make us to buy land later on there exactly like Earth.

And I hope they also give tons of weapon. Who knows what happened if Doom is really real?

Errr…I was just going to say this sounds like the intro part of a horror movie.

I remember signing up to be a Martian before, but I don’t see the signup list.

I would prefer to be on the first ship out of the solar system, but I could settle on Mars.

You watched too many movies. It might have been dangerous, but with your scenario, everybody would be dead. People were hunting, farming, trading, making long trips to find gold… even in a modern day war zone you don’t get instantly murdered doing your day-to-day business.

I bet that while on Mars, you’d kill for the freedom and safety of the Wild West :slight_smile:

Perhaps I was exaggerating, but you’re also missing the fact that the Martians will be free to roam Mars just as Wild Westerners were free to roam the forest. Also I’m thinking early settlers, not when there were towns etc. Many many many of them did die. Just read Wikipedia, the example of the Roanoke colony is a good one.

There are of course huge differences, mainly that there is no oxygen, there are no animals to hunt, a tear in your suit can mean death… but getting your hand cut while chopping wood could easily lead to infection and death, or you could cholera from drinking bad water, etc. etc. Early settlers had to stick extremely close and be extremely careful. Thus I draw a lot of similarities.

I don’t think Roanoke was exactly typical. And yes, “no oxygen” is kind of a biggie. Lack of any vegetation or life whatsoever is sort of another.

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Not knowing what happened to Roanoke was not typical. A fort / colony being destroyed was extremely typical. Even if you read about Roanoke you’ll find that it was abandoned / destroyed 2 or 3 times before the disappearance.

But this getting way off base. My whole point was that going to Mars is comparably dangerous and isolated as life was for very early American settlers. I’d say the situation itself is much more dangerous, but the technology matches that to make them comparable.

I refuse to agree to disagree :slight_smile:

Even if a Wild West colony were to fail, it would certainly take many years of struggling. Besides, when a single colony fails repeatedly, it’s probably just a poor location for human inhabitance. For every colony that failed miserably, there were other colonies that thrived. If not, there would never have been the expansion to the scale that allowed the settlers to take over the whole continent.

Without any resources, you can survive 3 days on Earth. Make that 3 weeks if you have accss to water. Make that 3 hours on Mars, and your oxygen will run out. If you run into trouble, you’re pretty much dead. We even forgot about ‘cabin fever’, the human mind can’t handle being confined. The whole reason that society built prisons was to punish people by imposing ‘inhuman’ conditions.

Last but not least, the gravity on Mars is about a third of that on Earth: your mucles and bones will suffer, unless you exercise a few hours a day, which consumes vast amounts of energy, and well, is utterly boring.

I think it’s safe to conclude that it’s in no way comparable - despite the similarities.

I would say it’s mainly to protect law-abiding people, while saving money and room.

Actually I think you dont have to exercise.
Astronauts have to exercise in space, because there is NO gravity and then they go back to earth. When you stay on Mars forever anyway, it wouldn’t be a problem if you body adapts to its gravity.

At least on Mars there is no gang wiping out your entire village…
well hopefully

Your body cannot adapt. It will deteriorate.

What are talking about ?
The Mars gravity will be the “workout” to sustain proportional bones/muscles, just like we dont lose bone & muscle on earth because of gravity.
The flight in zero g is a problem, but once there I don’t think it’s a problem.
Actually I just assume that would be the case, but looking at how the body works, it should be.
Someone on earth who doesn’t workout on earth doesn’t get crushed by the gravity, maybe easily exhausted.
Should be the same on Mars.
Moon people, as in persons born on Moon, should just be bigger than normal people, but would do fine aswell… On Moon of course.

There should only be a problem when you enter a gravity your body can’t handle.
(Although zero g without training, even if you would never return to any gravity, might be problematic anatomically, not sure)

You seem to overestimate the speed of evolution.

Human bodies are tuned to their environment over hundreds of generations.

You seem to assume that when at Mars, the detoriation of bone is in balance with it’s environment. That logic would also mean that when in space, the detoriation of bone is again in balance with it’s environment. Sadly, this isn’t true. When you’d be in space for extended amounts of time (years), your bones will snap upon the slightest bump. The body cannot adapt, it simply can’t survive in these new conditions. For it to adapt, it would probably take a few hundred generations, for which the gravity is slowly reduced - unnoticable for an individual.

The same applies for Mars, the moon, anywhere.

0.3G might be enough to keep you reasonably healthy, unlike zero-g (it’s not just the osteoporosis, it also screws up your circulation). There’s not been any significant research though, since it’s basically impossible for us to simulate fractional gravity for any extended length of time – it’s all or nothing.

What could get really screwed up is development. If you can’t have any kids conceived and born on a colony, you’ve got no hope of truly settling it.

We really are good and stuck here, and that means we need to clean our shit up right here on Earth.

Clean our shit? Ha! Let’s hide it underground! Out of sight, out of mind…

I hate humanity :confused:

The gravity problem is probably solved by rotating stuff on the ship.
It is much easier to build or send and use a similar system on the surface of mars than in space if there are any bone issues there.

Maybe they will have to spend some time in a rotating device on mars as well, for example during sleep. I think it is that “easy” :slight_smile: