Don’t go for a Computer Science degree? Why did they say that?
Hah, just saw this. Programming may not directly help you do game design, but let’s not forget that to actually get a job doing game design, you’ll need to have a portfolio. You know, some tangible proof that your ideas about design are actually worth something. A design on paper can go wrong so many ways it’s almost useless.
If you can’t program at least a little, getting a portfolio together is going to be tough. What’s the typical developer reaction to “hey guys, I’m a beginner game designer and have lots of great ideas, want to help me program them?” 
Almost every single game designer at my rather large (200+) game company was formally an artist, with one exception. And he used to make toys. :persecutioncomplex:
Lol? What about a programmer with an artistic side? Artist is kinda a vague term : like anyone drawing/painting, playing music, dancing, comedian, …
So I should go with a Masters in Computer Science or is it pointless and I should rather focus my energy into being an indie game developer?
A masters (or even just a bachelor’s) in CS/CE will almost guarentee a well-paying job after getting out, and if you find out you like that kind of stuff then more power to you.
But for the indie route, let’s just say not everyone becomes a notch 
Yay thanks 
I promise it does not, “guarentee” shit. I had to create my own job. Many people left Computer Science in the U.S. relative to the population. CS has over 17 percent unemployment. New grads fell by 60% over a 2-3 year period last decade. Teaching is not CS. Learning is not CS. Doing CS is CS, and little of it happens anymore in the U.S.
Price Per Parity for the average U.S. citizen has been flat for fallen for 39 of the last 40 years. People in the Civil War had one year of PPP falling and many claimed it was the end of the world at the time. Now we know differently. It’s not the end it is just really really really shitty until the government collapses, or until the people wake up and kill the Nazi fucks in power.
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It is still true in countries that do not adapt too much their diploma to very short-term demands of the industry (the others transform their diplomas into perishable means like food which is helpful for those who want to make young workers’ positions insecure) but as the State is giving less and less money to public universities in France for example, some of them are tempted to create “garbage masters”, very weak and useless masters used mainly to get some money. You have to take care. Tuition fees are increasing especially in the most famous Masters in UK and France 
It pretty much depends on where you live, in both Sweden and the Netherlands it’s quite easy at the moment to get a nice job after a master’s degree.
Mike
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Virtually all education is used to get peoples money.
I could have 50 Masters degrees and still have a hard time getting work. Some people are treated poorly and no matter what education they get. Don’t fooled by assholes claiming that education work ethic and smarts will make it, “quite easy” to get a nice job. If it was really that easy I would be in one of those 2 countries now. The real world is much different than that. In fact you probably need a nice suit, nice hair, nice bank account, nice wife/husband, and other nice shit to pass the Nazi test. Plus several weeks of interviews with assholes that want to tell you how great it will be to get fucked by social redistribution if you worked for them. Spread your lies elsewhere.
Did someone wake up on the wrong side of their bed?
I can’t talk for you but all of my student friends got nice jobs after their exam. Maybe it’s that attitude of yours that is the problem…?
Hmm … right .
Whatever. I want my master CE and a well going indie project. work? let’s see later
Enjoy that mentality while you can, it gets more difficult when you get a family
Mike
Facts != Attitude
In fact people with the worst attitudes like Hitler, Stalin, Mussolini, Obama, Clinton, Bush and others are the ones that have it “quite easy” getting work. The people that don’t have a poor attitude are the ones getting screwed. So don’t give me your attitude crap. I am for equal rights and liberty not German, Chinese, U.S., Australian, or other Fascist Police State lies that create a poor job market. It took me 10+ years to create a job when no one wanted to give me one. Now they can take their Fascist lies about how everyone that works hard and is smart has it, “quite easy” getting a job and shove it. 10% + unemployment in most of the world does not make it “quite easy” for anyone especially hard working Scientists unless you already have money or support social redistribution or both.
Programming is team work at bigger scale. You need to get along with team. You allways get work if you are good programmer and good team player.
In my experience you need the following to get you anywhere
- market yourself but staying true to your opinions
- treat people the way you want to be treated yourself
- stay optimistic about own options
- know your crap (by experience!)
- leave a good impression
but the most important one (or maybe the abstract of the above):
- networking: make yourself known and be not afraid to use your connections to bring you forward
I can’t really grasp what you mean with social redistribution (due to language barrier), so maybe it’s exactly what you are criticizing.
Face it - it’s a world full of people, so you have to find some that help you to get a foot in the door. You want to avoid standard recruition processes (mass-tests, mass-interviews etc.) as much as possible.
Also in the end you probably will need a degree to get you decent money (or at least more money compared to the people doing the same without a degree)