What do you think about religion and opressing gay rights?

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YaG5SAw1n0c

JGO should be more homosexual-friendly. What about pink code boxes? Maybe we could use [gode] for it :slight_smile:
Just kidding, in my opinion everyone should love whatever he likes (except animals and children, ok catholic priest may love everyone ;)).
If someone feels like marring a toaster, why not. Maybe he/she shouldn’t take a bath with it, but as long as they let me be it’s ok.
And that’s one of my favorite believes, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flying_Spaghetti_Monster . It’s super awesome ;D

It’s already gay friendly (1 in 10 is what the last study I saw claimed). It just may not be gay stereotype friendly.

Tbh now that I think about it, I actually have quite a lot of gay friends :s

You don’t realise this until someone brings it up lol, I would rather go and drink with them than my straight mates, at the least the conversation does not revolve around fecal matter or sex.

I can’t say I agree with homosexuality, but I’m not going to discriminate because of it.

Marriage is a religious concept, and if the religion says it should be between a man and a woman, it’s not the government’s place to force someone to marry a man and a man or a woman and a woman.

Also, saying you’re being discriminated against and then trying to force people to go against their religion is simply stupidity.

It’s a touchy subject, and even though I am a Christian, I don’t agree with either side.

I disagree with the notion that marriage should only be a religious concept. Maybe it started out as one (I really don’t know, I’ve barely looked at the Bible), but it should be about love for the person you are devoting your life to. God should not have to come into play with that if you don’t want to. Religion should not control love, nor should the government. Love should be an individual thing, I can love someone if I want to. Why should God tell me I can’t? I thought he was all accepting or whatever.

My point was more aimed at the fact that if marriage is (or was) a religious concept, then the people responsible for marrying should get to choose whether they marry same-gender couples.

God is all accepting, but it doesn’t mean that something isn’t wrong. (And don’t take this the wrong way. I’m not pointigthe finger and yelling “YOU’RE EVIL!!!” at homosexuals)

No I understand that. But I still feel it isn’t right. Can I ask why you don’t agree with homosexuality? What if I said you cannot marry a woman or have any sort of relations with her? And if you did “marry” her, you cannot claim to be her lawful SO? I don’t think it’s right at all to force people to not be who they want to be. Are gay people terrorists or criminals? Some may be, but the idea of being gay isn’t. I wish people would stop resisting change and let others enjoy their lives so long as they don’t impose on other people.

Ok but it isn’t mandatory anyway.

The bible is an… interesting piece of work, it states things like “If you disobey me, I will make you eat your sons and daughters” as well as “If you love your family more than me, you are not worthy of me” and “If you curse at your parents, you should be put to death”.

In regards to homosexuality the bible is clearly against it "In the same way also the men, giving up natural intercourse with women, were consumed with passion for one another. Men committed shameless acts with men and received in their own persons the due penalty for their error.” and “If a man has sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They are to be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads.”

All in all, it’s a funny book :slight_smile:

Mike

Religion is the partly successful manipulation of people, the partly successful suppressor of freedom, the partly successful blocker of innovation, the partly successful cause of war, the partly successful breakdown of peace, the partly successful controller of the mind. Religion is a hypocrite. Religion is a successful dictatorship. If religion didn’t exist,…

Think. Escape.

I actually do agree Troubleshoots. I don’t think that religion is terrible in itself, I think how people use religion is one of the main causes of the lack of innovation and thinking in this world. I just can’t help but believe that hell exists solely to scare people into doing what God wants. It seems like a scam almost, do what I want and you’ll live forever in Heaven, the ultimate paradise. Disobey me and go against my book and you’re condemned to a life of eternal darkness. Seriously, what the fuck. No one deserves that except maybe the worst criminals in this world who kill millions. I refuse to believe that a God would let this happen, if there is such a spirit.

… When taken out of context, just like any other book. Everything in there has a place, it’s just that lots of it was for a time long past.

Goodbye humankind. :wink:

I would answer, but you wouldn’t understand where I was coming from. What one thinks of homosexual marriage depends on what one thinks of marriage in the first place. And what one thinks of marriage depends on a whole chain of other things leading back to your worldview.

I’m somewhat of a similar opinion to Trouble; if you were to ask me what my religion is, I would say “I don’t follow any religion.” Had enough of it from the rest of my family, used to go to church, etc, but it just felt like a complete waste of time, plus then you constantly have people saying you are obviously a bad person if you . Religion can be stabilizing, but too often it is forced upon people, interpreted wrongly (which, again is entirely subjective in itself), and quite often people just straight-up miss the point. While there have been many acts of goodness inspired by religious ideas, there are just as many atrocities committed in the name of ; ever heard of the Crusades? Besides, it is almost perversely humorous how similar different opposing religions are when you break them down, yet they despise each other.

The problem is that, today, marriage is decoupled (pun intended! :stuck_out_tongue: ) from religion. People who are non-religous marry, because they need the rights that come with marriage. Those rights include how they are allowed share money in a bank account and property in general. It also includes things like the right to adopt children, and then the question whether gay marriage should be allowed becomes: should gay couples be allowed to adopt children?

Today, marriage is not a concept of religion, it’s a concept of our political states and countries. It’s not symbolic anymore. It gives citizens rights they wouldn’t have otherwise.

In response to the other posts about whether religion is a good idea or not, I have this to say:

Although I am not sure about other religions, I know that the on of the two main ‘commands’ of Chrisianity is to “love one another as you do yourselves”.
My question to you is this:

Have any of the people who influenced your view of Christianity (or any religion) shown that to be true of their actions?

Not saying that those who don’t aren’t really Christians. Just that they may have missed a (very important) point. I have even been yelled at by people in the streets that I am going to hell. Which is actually kind of funny. I have also seen/heard of people who just show kindness to others and help them out. Who do you think is a better picture of a Christian? And who do you think is the more common one?

@matheus23: I think actually the opposite. I think that marriage has become too linked to lots of laws, to the point where it starts losing it’s meaning as a religious concept. However, the result is the same.

I don’t get why this should be the opposite, that’s exactly what I’m thinking! :slight_smile:

I didn’t write anything about how it happened, but I wrote about the ‘result’.

Straight guys cant marry straight guys any more than a gay guy could marry a gay guy.
Gay guys still have the right to marry, they are inclined not to because of there sexuality.

So is the debate really about discrimination?

In any case, I dont think anyone here would discriminate against anyone for their sexuality.

Unfortunately the most common is the latter. That is exactly why I cannot stand religion, people use it to take advantage of others when they have no right. I do not have a problem with religion as long as you do not use it to your advantage.

matheus, I would really like to believe that isn’t true. I want to believe that two people want to get married because they want a commitment. Too much of this world is centered around business and politics already, I’m (in my short time on this Earth) am already sick of it. Living in this world, I just get a feeling that everything is about money and power which really just sucks a whole ton. I wish I could live in a world where people were actually passionate about what they do (I know some of us are), and where people just loved each other instead of trying to take advantage of others.

umm where have you been for the past couple of years? It isn’t legal in most states for gays to marry. This is discrimination because the law says they cannot, not because of social pressure. I would like to know what you are talking about because that was just one of the most ridiculous things I’ve ever heard in regards to homosexuality and the laws surrounding it.