I just detect this Trojan on my computer, I just want to informs you as I mainly (only) execute Applet from JGOs
Update your JRE regularly, or suffer from infections.
yes but unfortunatly this is on my office computer wich is set to auto-update java (ex: current version on this one is 1.6u22), problem I pointed is that I may/probably have got this malware from an Applet on JGOs
NB: I did not use any antivirus and/or firewall and usually never got any viruses (I just take care of what I trust and what I dont trust)
That’s not how security works.
In recent news it was shown that advertisement networks were infected and their advertisements contained malware, which was delivered to high profile sites. You can’t trust anything. Not even slashdot, facebook, etc. any site with advertisements is vulnerable.
Not running antivirus/firewall software is just as dumb as not making backups.
Not even slashdot, facebook, etc. any site with advertisements is vulnerable.
Not even this forum (outdated).
[quote] I mainly (only) execute Applet from JGOs
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I’m sure others would have picked something up too if that was the case. I haven’t seen any bad applets here so far.
[quote]That’s not how security works.
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this is true for average (low knowledge on computer) users
I did backup of important data often that’s IMO the most/only important thing in security (against virus as well as hard drive crash, fire , steal etc…) and periodically scan with severals differents online scanner (maybe twice a year or when I have doubt on an action I did), I (usually) dont get any viruses (maybe 2 over 10 years), I have few plugin enabled (only flash & java).
[quote]In recent news it was shown that advertisement networks were infected and their advertisements contained malware
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ok but thoses advertisments should not be able to get into my system without an action from me (inded except if they are using a plugin security hole)
in a certain maner antivirus are useless, because they cannot detect home made virus, and well know viruses are usually not on serious website and/or detected/signaled fastly
I have programmed and then used a cupple of viruses (mostly C/assembly) in the (old) past. For exemple when I get in my university I tested its security (all computer was running a resident antivirus)… and after few days they all was also running a remote control sofwtare I made (and post into the university public forum) enabling me to view screen and take control of any computer I wanted.
I think that security should go on an other way than antivirus, it should not be an obligation to have such software installed and it is IMO a wrong way of securing (a better way for me is for example to use a low privileged user)
[quote]I’m sure others would have picked something up too if that was the case. I haven’t seen any bad applets here so far.
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me too, I am absolutly not sure I really got it here but maybe 95% applets that I run are from here, I posted just in case of someone else got it
I guess you never heard of javascript virii. You don’t even need a plugin these days to get infected.
Your view of security is still very very wrong. I wouldn’t feel secure if I had 2 virii in 10 years. One virus can steal all your FTP accounts and instantly infect every site you have access to.
It has happened to me, and it wasn’t pretty.
[quote]I guess you never heard of javascript virii. You don’t even need a plugin these days to get infected.
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not in this term, but I already use thing like CreateObject(“something” + “something”) in email to pass secured proxy of society, what you told about are browsers security hole that will be patched in browsers, there is the same chance that you antivirus know it as your browser have been patched for.
no luck… just for the joke => it happend to you and you are running an antivirus (+firewall ?) and it does not happend to me and I am not running any of them , here is the funny thing => It happend to one of my friend too (bank code and about everything else) and he was also running an antivirus + firewall, the problem is to feel secure because you installed an antivirus and a firewall.
another important security point for me is to never feel secure with a computer and then never save important passwords on a computer ( once again it is good against viruses & physic steal )
I mean if I sent an executable file to you and you decide to execute it or use a new browser security hole, or a signed applet, what you antivirus can do against that ?
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a good security would be to use a special computer account (with few rights) to navigate in a sandboxed environment but it will be boring, anitivirus definitly dont protect you and even worst they make you feel protected. they only protect you against people who have learn to make a copy/past on an existing viruses (wich are ususally not the most dangerous people as the hardest part is not to hack something but rather to not be catch / seen)
So many conclusions, based on absolutely nothing. This was the reason for me to install antivirus, always. So much for your ‘joke’.
Riven is right, it’s a must to have an installed Virus-Killer (an an Internet router firewall, too).
For example you (DzzD) could try the (free) AVG Antivirus from Europe, available for Windows or Linux: http://free.avg.com/
yes it is always better to have one ( but no it is not a must ), I know AVG and always disable resident services when using an other computer than mine :p, did I mentioned that I am on Vista and have completly disable windows security center too 
(but also take care to disable all dangerous services…) no more popup… everything just go super smooth…
you get more protection knowing what you do (also making critics data backup and etc…) then relying on the antivirus, inded it can only be done for people having computer knowledge or people having been sensibilized to security.
I have noticed that on a higly infected computer, if you try different antiviruses they do not find the sames viruses : wich probably means that they dont share virus signs
yes inded it is more secure to have an antivirus & a firewall (if you can support how slow they make your computer 
), but… it is just a little “more secure” not “secure”
what I was pointing is more that security must be thinked on a bigger scope than only antivirus & firewall, they are only a tiny part and basicaly all sucks because they use too much ressources, slowing computer, making lags on FPS game,etc… for a minor security upgrade as hundreds of new virus come out every days and perfect heuristic search is impossible
My brother runs everything in his computer with a very limited account, then has to enter an admin password to do anything.
If you got infected then how would you know?
It also means malicious code can now run silently in the background since your admin. There is nothing for your PC to flag or question.
At the very least turn Windows Security on (that doesn’t have to include UAC, although again that makes you more secure). It’s pretty decent these days.
I don’t understand how being more secure is a bad thing, or a minor point. Wearing a seat belt in a car makes you less likely to be killed in a car crash but doesn’t prevent you from dying. They make driving a fraction of a percent slower (like anti-virus software do to a PC), so does that mean you shouldn’t wear one?
If the anti-virus software you’ve tried have been using large amounts of resources then I’d actually be worried as good anti-virus software doesn’t. I suspect your issue is actually running a virus scan whilst playing a game; which you can turn off or have scheduled to be run at an entirely different time. I personally use Microsoft Security Essentials and have noticed no speed issues whilst it has found several viruses.
If your still dead set on trying to get as much performance as you can then I’d recommend partitioning your disk and installing two copies of Windows. At least this means your work partition can have a virus scanner and be secure whilst your gaming partition is insecure (although this is still a bad thing to do). My brother did similar with a partition for audio editing and it was blazingly fast (there was far more then anti-virus and security disabled) however he also kept it permanently offline to help keep it safe.
My point is that there are better methods that you can use then just keeping everything insecure.
IMHO you pretty much describe 98% of the all people with internet access…
[quote]I suspect your issue is actually running a virus scan whilst playing a game
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no, of course no, this is caused by live network trafic analysis, so if you got trouble on a network game just disable resident protection
[quote]My point is that there are better methods that you can use then just keeping everything insecure.
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haha, this point is nice 
I also use microsoft secruity essentials. I have found it the least annoying, free, and doesn’t suck cpu like the rest. It seems to pick anything that’s dangerous. I just use the default windows firewall, that’s good enough for me.
I am reposting this because I’d be interested in seeing your answer. If you got infected then how would you know?
Interesting post.
I can say that AVG/SuperAntiSpyware/McAfee & Microsft Security Essentials is still not enough…(says the guy who just spent the whole last weekend removing 3 viruses and 2 rootkits from a laptop that had all 4 of these applications running)
Kaspsersky saved us in the end, we got control of the machine back (kind of) but I would have prefered that the machine was wiped. One interesting fact that I read while researching over the weekend was that some infections know how to actually go back and infect previous windows restore points… so not even a rollback will help you these days.
I really should install ubuntu one day.
[quote]I can say that AVG/SuperAntiSpyware/McAfee & Microsft Security Essentials is still not enough…(says the guy who just spent the whole last weekend removing 3 viruses and 2 rootkits from a laptop that had all 4 of these applications running)
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Usually if you install more that one virus checker it can cause more problems, or one will disable itself.