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#141

No to what?

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So? ;D

[quote=“princec,post:138,topic:39083”]
I don’t want to fix anything for you. I just wanted to know what problems you have with Linux. I just see some vague statements, as I wrote, but no precise information about your problems. All I see is something like this: “I am confronted with man page digging, Googling in obscure forums for answers, hair pulling, …” Even hair pulling. :smiley: But because of what? Give me some examples.

I understand if you don’t like Linux because you can’t get used to it or something else, probably because you sticked to Windows and its way to work. But you are uniformed about Linux. Maybe you are trying to get Linux working as Windows or Mac OS (you even wrote this). But that’s not gonna happen. Linux is no replacement for Windows or Mac OS, it’s an alternative OS. Just try it for a longer period if you are interested or let it be and don’t post some vague, subjective or wrong “arguments”.

Well. Makefiles are easy to use, that’s for sure, so you will see them even in 20 years. But it’s difficult to create them if you don’t have any experience. I’m not a fan of creating them, I actually prefer CMAKE which is easier to setup and you can get it to work on every OS.

#142

I have to agree archives in linux are unnecessary complicated

when I install winrar and 7zip, they are in the context menu in windows, meaning rightclick on archive -> various decompress options
rightclick on ANY file or folder -> compress

maybe you have like “open with” for archive file types, if can get that to work, but the compressing in windows is so much easier
maybe you can manipulate the context menu to add stuff. but I dont know how, and in windows, the installer does this by itself, its an option…

#143

@Cero: Not true. File-Roller is integrated in the Nautilus menu, same thing for Ark and Dolphin in KDE. You can right click on an archive and select “Extract here”, or you can right click on any other file or folder and select “Compress”. Easy as in Windows. And you don’t need to install any third party tool like WinRAR because File-Roller is already preinstalled. You just need to install rar/unrar or 7zip from repository, all other archive formats will work ootb.

#144

definitely wasnt like this last time I checked Ubuntu/Mint
I also dont use nautilus per se but gnome commander, although the rightclick context menu should be the same

btw off topic thing:
last times I had dual boot into Mint, only 2 months ago or so
whenever I booted up mint, my speakers would boost the loudest sound I have ever heard - I immediately had to turn off my subwoofer.
Sounded like when you hold a mic against a speaker and turn it on full blast.
That scarred me. =)

#145

It was always like this.

#146

Linux has had better GUI support for archives than Windows (OOTB) for years, including the menu items you refer to. I remember my frustration with XP on my old dual-boot laptop so that’s at least 7-8 years.

One thing I hate in Windows (not sure if it still does it?) is opening Zip archives in Windows Explorer as if they’re just ordinary folders - that confuses the hell out of users when something doesn’t work from them (like program launching).

LOL, great typo … at least I hope it is! ;D

#147

Nope, scarred me for life.
Imagine you have all those problems with linux AND you’re afraid a sonic boom goes off when you start it.

#148

There is a difference between “scared” and “scarred” :wink:

#149

“scarred for life” is an expression.

#150

Interesting, I’d never heard of this. This is relatively new in the Windows world and looks like it only works on NTFS rather than FAT32-derived file systems.

I’ll check this out when I get back to work and can use a Windows 7 system.

I was reading that even on cygwin type emulation shells, symlinks don’t work on Windows, but this is probably a newer feature.

#151

“unzip file.zip” is complicated? It sounds like you are just used to using a GUI file explorer rather than a command line shell.

#152

I’d argue that symlinks on Windows are still not quite reliable. I used symlinks to map an app-folder to a new location. When I selected an app as a default file type handler, it simply wouldn’t work. Using the real path of the app instead, worked just fine.

I have no idea what caused this, nor did I spend much time investigating.

#153

why would I browse my files using a command line shell ?

EDIT: also its not like “unzip file.zip” where I come from. Its more like “fileroller -a -r -u file.rar ./targetfolder/” or crap like that you have to know by hard

#155

Wtf? Where do you come from? Mars? :smiley: File Roller is a GUI tool, you can’t use it this way. Unzip or unrar are command line tools…

#156

well see, there is inherit disconnect there.
on windows WINRAR (for example) decompresses my archives. Not a gui that is running console tool.
how would I know I could do it this way ? how would I know the command name and parameters ?
and most of all… why would I even care and open a console and navigate there just to decompress something…

I’m a user first: I don’t wanna know how stuff works, I just want to use it.

#157

Have you ever used File-Roller or Nautilus? Seriously, it’s the same way as with WinRAR. You download your archive, right click on it, click on “Extract here”, progress bar, ready. Where in this steps do you need a command line? Right! Nowhere! And you also don’t see anything from a CLI. So you don’t need to know what command line is and how you can use it. But if you want to you can. For example on servers where a GUI is just some bloatware you can use the command line to extract archives what btw is really easy, as already shown by some users here.

Even with command line tools you don’t know anything. Or do your really want to say that you know how rar works? With the entropy stuff and so on… :smiley:

#158

I’m seriously gonna reinstall a linux distro and make a video about 10minutes of normal working problems =D

gonna find screen capturing software for linux
AND no “good” video editing software for linux exists

#159

Allrighty. Do this, but before you show us something “bad” get used to your distribution. :smiley:

You can find it right in the repository, like Kazam, RecordMyDesktop or RecordItNow.

“good” is a little too subjective. For your small screen capturing video you don’t need a “good” software, some basic editing tool will be enough. There are plenty of them. If you mean some professional software like Sony Vegas, you can’t put it like it was Linux’ fault. Although Lightworks will come for Linux soon. :smiley:

#160

Most engineers who enjoy tinkering with Linux seem to have little understanding of the things that Windows and MacOS do that make them the dominant, most-used, most-wanted operating systems in the world today. It is this non-comprehension of why they are massively dominant versus something that is apparently free that holds the whole OS back. Canonical get it, I think; but they’re sort of hobbled by the rest of the ecosystem, which is built upon the efforts and ideals of these same engineers that don’t get it, and have also made some pretty strange choices lately.

Had a good laugh at a comment a few posts back about me being some sort of whizzy game developer and therefore I should know all sorts of arcane wizardry and Linux should be trivial. Firstly, I’m a Java games developer. I use Java because I am an idiot and languages like C and C++ lend themselves to more of that hair pulling, Googling, screaming, etc. that Linux does to me. I don’t have time for that, just like I don’t have time for Linux. Stuff just needs to work quickly. I don’t have a lot of patience or time - and nowadays I need to make a living from it, so every hour spent Googling for hair loss treatments is an hour I’m not earning a crust.

Cas :slight_smile:

#161

So you are still hanging on your “pulling hairs” statements and no precise examples. My experience is completely different. I save a lot of time using Ubuntu, especially from a view of a developer. I mean, for example I can install many libs directly from the repository or PPAs (well not that much in case of Java but C++ or Python) and don’t need to care about updates etc. The same goes for software like Eclipse. No search on the interwebz and so on… Sure there is no huge choice of software but I don’t really care, all I need is also available for Linux (except for some games which do I play on Windows). Everything else is at the same level or even better as in Windows for me.

Nice that you argument against Linux with Java. I’m pretty sure that there are many people (about 95% of Linux users) who can’t code at all and can still handle Linux way better than you. ;D All you need is just get used to it. Just like you got used to Windows when you started. Linux is not more difficult it’s just different (sometimes). Which doesn’t mean that you have to use CLI but for example installing and updating software is different (and easier). And Linux is adaptable, you have a real choice how you want to work, although it’s one of the things what non Linux users criticize, too much choice… ::slight_smile: