Thought I’d update the Linux Mint session gathering dust in my VM
Installing Chrome on Linux Mint…
Tried the Software Manager application - Google Chrome not listed.
So, old school then…
Click the big button
“Please select your download package”
32 bit .deb (For Debian/Ubuntu)
64 bit .deb (For Debian/Ubuntu)
32 bit .rpm (For Fedora/openSUSE)
64 bit .rpm (For Fedora/openSUSE)
Accept and Install…
You have chosen to open blah - What should Firefox do with this file? Open With [BROWSE] / Save
Choose Open - nothing listed that looks like it would do anything
Choose Save
App downloads
Right click, Open
Archive Manager opens and shows 4 folders - nothing installed
Got bored and cancelled the ‘installation’
Fail!
Instructions on the Google help page don’t reflect the actual experience.
On Ubuntu 12.04, search “Google Chrome” find Chromium (which is the base of Chrome, sans Google tracking - think they get enough information about me as is!), install. Or download .deb from Google, click to open in software centre, install.
As Mint shares the same basic repos as Ubuntu, I’m surprised if they’ve managed to make it that much harder. If they’ve got it set to open .deb files in the archive manager by default and don’t offer the option to open in a package manager (GDebi at least) that sounds like a massive fail!
Actually, my old version of Mint worked fine with GDebi - like I said, big fail if it’s not. One of the reasons I switched back to Ubuntu - too many stupid niggles and bugs in Mint, despite the outward sheen.
Current Ubuntu is as easy to do this as I mentioned in my previous post - specifically checked.
Installed GDebi.
Right click ‘google-chrome-stable_current_i386.deb’ Open With GDebi Package Installer…
“Error! Could not open 'google-chrome-stable_current_i386.deb” The package might be corrupted or you are not allowed to open the file: please check the permissions of the file.
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Bestest thread ever!! I just red the whole thread starting from the beginning. Even followed some of the links and red those posts too. Great !
Now I just have to make up for the lost hours somehow
Keep it up!
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Started with win 3.11, currently win7, don’t like any unix/linux I have used in my life. Mac, don’t like the gui and the pricetag.
Don’t want shortcuts, don’t want commandline. Boot time is irrelevant, pc is up 24/7. BSOD, cannot remember when I last saw one.
Hangs and crashes and lags in program running all seem to me like some mythical beings from Tolkien stories.
I know a few mac users and when they tell me that mac is more stable and reliable, I do undestand the words, but I cannot comprehend the meaning. I mean, when something works perfectly how can there be something better ?
So currently, I see no need to switch or to even look at any other OS.
Always makes me laugh too. In my experience, stability is Linux -> Windows -> Mac. And Mac a long way back. I haven’t met a Mac yet that didn’t crash because I looked at it funny!
The vast majority of people do most things for irrational reasons. Choosing their OS is simply an example. Like with music: " what rocks" vs. “what sucks”, people choose a camp and tend to stick with it regardless. I guess there’s a subconsciousness level of being a member of an elite group thing going on. Luckily most of us (if you fall/fell into that trap) will/did grow out of the music thing with age. Too bad that doesn’t seem to work for everything else.
I really love, for instance, the microsoft stole everything. That’s awesome! If you really think so maybe try reading some ms research papers (publicly available kids). They really can’t come up with anything new with chumps like multiple Turing Award and Fields winners. Never heard of Hugues Hoppe or Jim Blinn for instance? Then you have highly unsuccessfully companies like Valve just to show they hire incompetent people.
[quote]Don’t want shortcuts, don’t want commandline.
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If you aren’t using shortcuts to increase your productivity, then you are living in the past. Hell, my grandpa uses shortcuts.
[quote]Boot time is irrelevant, pc is up 24/7.
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You never install new software? Your computer never freezes? You never leave your basement? And think of all that energy wasted!
[quote]Hangs and crashes and lags in program running all seem to me like some mythical beings from Tolkien stories.
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If only that was the truth…
If you aren’t using shortcuts to increase your productivity, then you are living in the past. Hell, my grandpa uses shortcuts.
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You have an awesome grandpa!
You never install new software? Your computer never freezes? You never leave your basement? And think of all that energy wasted!
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I do install, what does that have to do with rebooting ? For some reason, I install software that does not need a restart. Lucky me
However, I did lie a bit. The windows update every now and then needs a restart. But it manages itself at nights, so that doesn’t involve me.
Pseudo 24/7?
And no, I don’t leave the basement… I wish I had a basement though.
If only that was the truth…
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Well it’s rather matter of taste, so to say. If there are any hangs and lags, and there might be, then they just aren’t registering in my brain.
There might be the possibility that I am just emotionless though…
I guess that’s true. But it shouldn’t be. Computers are everywhere. We should be taught CS before we learn how to count! And it should be mandatory! If you have 0 idea of how your phone works then GODDAMIIIIT it can’t be helped because the shools didn’t teach you but they ought to fucking start, and quickly. And understanding computers start with linux shell. Imo.
Linux being for the tech elite is pretty much BS these days isn’t it? It not like the old days when you had to compile and bootstrap yourself. Pretty much all the differentiating factors are getting hidden away.
There’s not such thing as a ‘linux’ shell. There are various UNIX shells on pretty much every semi-POSIX-alike OS with a user base of more than 10. And yeah, it is super useful to be able to use a shell at the minimum. As an example a couple a weeks ago I needed to test some code that should be spewing out sets uniformly. sort, uniq -c, cut and piping allowed me to verify correctness in about 5 minutes of my time. If I had to write ‘code’ to do the verification, it would have taken me a few hours (assuming that I got it right the first time).
I consider myself reasonably au fait with computers and I still find Linux to be irritatingly difficult to use, mainly because of its total inconsistency. Where computers are these days for the ordinary layman is the iPad. Ordinary Windowsy computers - well, it’s only when I talk to anyone outside of these forums and development circles that I realise just how much I know that “normal” people are totally utterly clueless about. So even ordinary Windows / Mac computers, the use and maintenance thereof, are really for the tech elite too. Normal people have just been forced to use them for 20 years, and by and large, nearly all of them hate it, it would seem.
Well I guess I am actually. I don’t even have a smart phone. I don’t even have a Twitter or Facebook account. All that stuff just doesn’t interest me.
Not that I can blame those not computer-savvy for disliking computers though. No matter how much technology advances, it just doesn’t get any easier. There is just… more.
If anyone doubts any of this, sit down with your parents once and get something done on the PC. Sometimes when I have to explain something to someone, I realize just how many people don’t know anything about compression like zip-archives. How do you use a computer for ten years, and never have the need to download and extract a zip file? It’s beyond me. It’s not even just the elderly - it’s my 20-year old mates as well.
[quote]If anyone doubts any of this, sit down with your parents once and get something done on the PC
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Interestingly, not so long I go sat my parents down take a look at the latest Ubuntu. Just to see if they would be able to find the things that they mostly do (browsing, email, word) and if they would be comfortable with it.
I did this because I was kind of getting bored of their ongoing PC issues (“My documents are gone!”, “I get this and that error!”, “Someone called MacAffee wants me to pay for something I don’t understand!” etc).
No problem at all. All they needed was right there on the desktop.
Now I’m not saying Ubuntu Linux is perfect, but for these kinds of users I’d argue it’s probably the most user-friendly system around at the moment. Everything looks nice, and it’s all right there out of the box.
However, things tend to get nasty if you get slightly out of that comfort zone. For example, recently I had to screw around with “udev rules”, something I’d prefer to know nothing about, but I didn’t have much of a choice. But by and large Ubuntu is my preferred OS.
That said, one very important reason for me to choose java as my main development language is my general hatred towards any OS. They’re basically all ugly in slightly different ways.
Java gave me the option not to really have to choose in that regard.