Oracle vs Google

I don’t think the amount is decided yet - $150,000 is the maximum they could be fined - my bet is it will be less! :wink:

EDIT: This quote from the comments on Groklaw - not sure how accurate it is

[quote]They can’t get anything unless they win on appeal. They agreed to stipulation to not seek damages on the 9 lines + test files unless they won one of the other issues.
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So, nada it is!

Guess this was the lesser evil of the two outcomes. Disregarding any legal ramifications, I just don’t want Oracle to win this kind of crap. I have big respect for the Java division that Oracle absorbed, but Oracle Inc. (AKA Power mongering Inc.) can go kiss my behind.

As for Android never having a Hotspot VM: perhaps not, but give it enough time and their own VM will grow to be somewhat competitive. Maybe its a good thing that an alternative can develop, lets see what Google can come up with. Probably at least half the team that gave birth to Hotspot will be hammering away on it anyway :confused:

Oracles spin statement on yesterdays outcome:

[quote]Oracle is committed to the protection of Java as both a valuable development platform and a valuable intellectual property asset. It will vigorously pursue an appeal of this decision in order to maintain that protection and to continue to support the broader Java community of over 9 million developers and countless law abiding enterprises. Google’s implementation of the accused APIs is not a free pass, since a license has always been required for an implementation of the Java Specification. And the court’s reliance on “interoperability” ignores the undisputed fact that Google deliberately eliminated interoperability between Android and all other Java platforms. Google’s implementation intentionally fragmented Java and broke the “write once, run anywhere” promise. This ruling, if permitted to stand, would undermine the protection for innovation and invention in the United States and make it far more difficult to defend intellectual property rights against companies anywhere in the world that simply takes them as their own.
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Seems like it isn’t over yet and Oracle will appeal the outcome. Considering how decisively they got beat not sure how far they’ll get but then again you can never predict with 100% certainty what can happen in court.

It does have massive industry-wide repercussions, to be honest. Either way.

Excelsior must be watching the case with interest seeing as they pay a small fortune to license J2SE at the moment for doing rather less than Google does…

Cas :slight_smile:

Doesn’t Excelsior use a bit more of Java than just its API (like its classes)?

Small companies just don’t have the resources to fight off large corps like Oracle. Especially considering the litigation itself can be fatal for them regardless of outcome. Sometimes its just easier and less risky to pay the protection money.

A set-in-law precedent about API copying completely opens up the way for Excelsior - and anyone else - to provide products based on OpenJDK or Harmony or whatever clean room implementations are lying about. Currently Excelsior use actual J2SE to provide their base compiler with code but conceivably they could now switch to a clean-room implementation and distribute that without worrying too much about paying for a J2SE license any more. In particular the Jet runtime is similar to Dalvik in that (the compiled part of it at least) it does not execute Java bytecode at runtime but goes through an intermediary stage.

Food for thought. Well, food for their thoughts, I don’t care either way :slight_smile: Where’s my ARM JVM dammit.

Cas :slight_smile:

I was under the impression that the loser pays both sides legal fees is the standard in CA.