NOOOOOOOOOOO!
we have already been through it…
NOOOOOOOOOOO!
we have already been through it…
But I didn’t participate last time x)
Nah no worries, aint the forum for that
Indeed :-
Not the sort of vague assurance I would want to build a business or product upon :persecutioncomplex:
Oracle expected to axe jobs – perhaps 10,000 – after Sun deal
http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=viewArticleBasic&articleId=9131864
“Oracle will rapidly rationalize Sun’s cost base,” the firm said in a report. “This means general layoffs and a reshaping of cost centers such as services and support.”
[sorry, forum duplicated posting after editing again]
[quote]“This means general layoffs and a reshaping of cost centers such as services and support.”
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I hope that doesn’t mean too many bad news for client side technologies. :o
damn thats 1/3 of the total number of people Sun employs. I hope we don’t lose JGO.
That really really stinks. I hope they won’t just be gutting Sun for its valuable (but boring) j2ee stuff. Making cuts to desktop java right now would be such a waste. It feels like java is getting very close to beating flash with the new plugin and focus on the consumer…
How many employees are in cost centers? I guess a lot, considering the number of products/hardware Sun has.
Desktop is not where the money’s at. It will be the first to get its budget reduced, I think.
Why would Oracle slash in such investments as JavaFX and consumer JRE? I mean, I guess Sun saw great market potential right? RIA technologies are a big market these days. That’s why Adobe and Microsoft are investing that much right?
I wouldn’t be surprised if all non-EE development (which means JavaFX, the new applet plugin, modular jre, and merging of client and server vms) to basically halt or slow down to a crawl. Get used to 1.6 ladies and gentlemen, because it’s all we’re getting on the client side for a long, long time.
The problem with Sun is that they excel at techinical stuff, and have a very hard time to get the enduser-experience right. JavaFX is nowhere near Flash or Silverlight, in nearly any aspect, even performance. It’s simply doomed without serious investments, and a serious look of people not too technically inclined. Additionally, Oracle took over, and they don’t seem to give a rats ass about clientside.
I agree JavaFX is far from mature but I don’t agree it has such weaknesses. Have you looked at the language, the graphics API, the performance numbers, the natural integration with Java? Sure performance isn’t at the level of many Java graphics APIs but saying it’s slower than Flash or Silverlight, I don’t think so? You must know that JavaFX runs in the JRE, which runs in hotspot VM, which highly and aggressively optimize code on the fly. To my knowledge, Flash and Silverlight don’t have such advantages.
I’ve yet to see a JavaFX app that runs smoothly. Seriously, they tend to render a few dozen shapes and completely hog the CPU.
That’s not what I’ve seen on CPU usage. On my side it was low. Anyway, this is all due to the technology not being mature I guess.
Well hopefully the next version 1.5? will fix performance.
I have seen some nice apps that is ok on the cpu though.
The first version of Silverlight was total crap and I still rarely see any SL2 apps out on the net.
Unfortunately that’s my guestimation too. Oracle are known for running a business to maximise profit. They are harsh with cutting bits that are not financially viable. It would not surprise me to see the JDK remain free (as in beer), but the J2EE runtime for commercial deployment become a paid for item, much like their existing DB products. Oracle have declared a distaste for netbeans in the past, so that might go. Java webstart, Applets, JavaFX and Swing are history unless Oracle figure out how to make money at it. J2ME might hang around as I’m sure the handset manufacturers contribute to Oracles profits, but I wouldn’t be surprised if there is not much further development.
I hope I’m being overly pessimistic, ultimately only time will tell. There are still regulatory hurdles, which I think will take a few months to get approved, then after that, Oracle will have a good look at it’s acquisition. I guess it will be around a year before we start to see the fall out from this.
Endolf