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#41

Actually - you’re really not that far off! How come I’ve never seen these games before? Because the Games section is so completely broken I bet! Your games are easy to install, run flawlessly, consistent, simple, fun, etc. They’re prime candidates for the Showcase - top stuff. On that scale I’d rate the ones I played 8/10. In fact I’d quite like to mention them in Puppygames’ blog.
Oh and you need to update your JOGL-based games to download the JOGL extension too, as they just crash on startup without it = NIL PWUN :slight_smile:
And Bunny Golf, probably the most interesting in terms of gameplay, falls down seriously on the slickness, graphics and sound stakes! With polish, it’d make the sort of game that can earn thousands of bucks on certain sites.

Cas :slight_smile:

#42

+1

#43

Ok, so let me clarify.

JGO is NOT a democracy, and we can run it as we see fit. Period. End of discussion.

However, we have been running things in a very community focused manner and have always acted in the best interest of the community, as best as we could. We will continue to do so but will not get into these philosophical discussions anymore about what has to be done, “rights” of the authors, etc. We are not editing your works, modifying your code, etc. When it comes to the “rights” of using this forum, they are determined by the owners and moderators. That’s all.

I like the idea that Demonpants put forth and don’t think we need to go to a community vote for something as simple as where the post resides. Having a couple of mods that move recognized works into the Showcase is absolutely fine with me.

And just to be CRYSTAL CLEAR on this point, the moderators do not have to ask the authors of a post where to move it if the moderators feel it is in the wrong place. Maintaining the site, cleaning up the sections, reclassifying posts, etc. are not decided in a committee or popular vote. Yes gouessej, I am talking to you.

If you have an issue with something that is GLARINGLY wrong, let us know. We are not unreasonable. If you still have an issue with this, the web is a big place and hosting your own site is cheap.

Sorry to be so blunt, but this is really over the top. The new sections will be done, thanks Demonpants, and the guidelines to get your game in the Showcase will be posted there. The overarching, general rule is that the mods will control what sits where. If you have a real issue with it, that’s what the PM function is for.

Oh, and I also like Cas’s point scale :slight_smile:

#44

Don’t need to. That’s what the mods are here for.

#45

Gosh, thanks for the feedback! Simultaneously positive and scathing - nice trick! :wink:
(And thanks for the heads-up about the JOGL failures. I’ll get onto that.)
Simon

#46

Wrong! Games that come in a .zip are better because they are portable, they don’t need to install, and they don’t have a broken uninstall that bloats your system registry, and doesn’t actually uninstall (All webstart games will fail that point because webstart is crap and broken.) It’s not that hard to unzip a file, and not having to download a game that’s 10mb or so every time I want to play it is a big plus. Also in a zip I can actually mod the game.

#47

A zip and a JAR are fine with me, as long as you don’t try to make me run a .bat or .sh file. If you really want to do that, though, you might as well spend a day bundling your game as an exe and an app, and then leave the jar as an extra option (this is what I always do unless I use webstart).

#48

I think a .bat is fine. There’s nothing you can do in a .bat that you can’t do with a .exe if you’re worried about viruses. Plus a .bat is safer because you can right click it and ht edit to see what it does, where as an .exe is anyone’s guess.

Edit: Not all libs work as jars also. Like I can’t get FMOD to read data from outside a jar, and I don’ think anyone here could, so I don’t use a jar. I think that if the game works it should get the point, and as long as it’s easy to understand how to run it (Like Xenplat 2 has just a .bat and a data folder with all the classes and resources, so it’s easy to understand).

#49

I’m talking specifically about ease of use. If you’re smart you can break someone’s computer through pretty much any security protocol. Most people aren’t used to running a bat or an sh, and they also defeat the purpose of Java by tailoring the app to a specific operating system. Obviously an exe and .app do the same, but they’re simple double-click affairs. I’m speaking from a mostly Mac OS X perspective, where you need to know how to use the command line in order to run a sh.

#50

Look, frankly, if I ever have to unzip a file to play a game, I just won’t bother, and neither will most other people, and it won’t get into the showcase. If you want people to play your game, do as you’re told and don’t argue with it, OK? Webstart is just fine in this situation - a Java games forum - because we’re all into Java - although I actually prefer proper platform specific installers.

Cas :slight_smile:

#51

Except I use a Mac.

#52

Completely agree Cas.

#53

(Let’s see if this ruffles any feathers… ) Though it may defeat part of the purpose, I thought that JNLP can operate self-contained without requiring a server. I don’t know yet if that would classify it as an executable jar though. Also, I just link straight to “javaws” on my system, and I have no problems. I don’t know how that might work on a Mac since I haven’t explored the naming conventions.

#54

I’m afraid it can’t operate self-contained - you’d still need to provide a jnlp file, and a bunch of jars, inside a zip. Sort of defeating the point of Webstart.

Cas :slight_smile:

#55

Actually, that’s what I had in mind. Code can still go in “main” for searching natives, class paths, resources, and whatever. For design purposes, part of the program could be local while another part serves as a thick or thin client maybe. I guess it’s a different subject though.

#56

What do you mean?

Make an .exe that does the C equivalent of exec("javaws.exe http://..../my_file.jnlp");.

It will be completely self contained (as in: 1 file to distribute and 1 file to doubleclick), as the zipfile is on a remote server.

#57

I had not considered that. I know a couple of libraries exist as wrappers for at least the Windows platform. I had been exploring JNLP as a sort of replacement for executable jars, but I haven’t found much of the advantages yet. I just am aware that it can operate similarly. I seem to need a SH or BAT file on occasions for those with difficulty of running an executable jar. It adds complexity.

#58

I download games and demos as zip files all the time, and won’t hesitate putting zip packaged games in the showcase if the game is good.
It’s a bit of a weird statement to say that most people won’t unzip games.

In fact, I prefer zip files over webstart, which is just horrible. Right now, I’ve got about a dozen webstart entries in my add/remove programs list that cannot be removed.

Of course, having an applet will give you the highest odds with me.

#59

you use the java diagbox icon in control panel to remove webstart stuff from the program list, you can delete any java related temp files also have a look and see.
btw this threads getting a little off topic… forums in my opinon should be moderated. My forum on my website is not moderated simply because it doesnt need to be.NO ONE CAN POST…bloody spammers cant they just leave me alone…lol

#60

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