Oh well, I guess it’s “over” now.
Dunno what I’m going to do now, I guess goat farming…
http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1895,1995495,00.asp
Best quote:
“J2EE has run its course,” Muglia said.
Rofl, some time before they said that windows is more secure than linux and its usability is better than Mac Os ones.
nfc
Unfortunate articles like that are what drive managers to push developers into bad decisions. 
Kev
Yep. Our e-commerce space is primarily J2EE and both our developer and support teams are very happy for that. However, we have a few managers that live and breath M$ ( ooo…SharePoint…gotta have SharePoint ! ). They have introduced .NET for some smaller apps for no reason than the fact that they believe it’s the right technology. Of course, neither has any development or support background. One game from desktop support and the other used to be a business analyst.
lol. this is microsoft talking, why wouldnt they want people to think that .net has “outpaced” java?
It’s pretty despicable how eweek presents a microsoft vps statements as fact.
[quote]Muglia also said the Microsoft Server and Tools unit will be involved in the company’s move to merge software and services. “We’re incubating new things like Microsoft Managed Services,” he said. “This is a great business; a business that has incredible upside.”
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I don’t think anyone really minds if microsoft deludes itself with lies and double talk. Maybe he’s a vp because he can believe his own garbage?
I think they make it very clear that they’re referring to views expressed by Bob Muglia of Microsoft.
As I see it Java technology has only one real advantage over .NET and that’s binary portability. It will be interesting to see how important that factor turns out to be. Portability has been extremely hyped by Sun but maybe reality is now beginning to creep up on them…
I agree 100% :’(
here is another one more related to gamedev, from the ogre wiki’s alternative languages part:
Beside that never a language is faster than other, I doubt that the java runtime is slower… and if the usage of pointers in unsafe blocks stands for more powerful, well I don’t know…
‘hail to the thief’
This is the core of double-think. Microsoft is becoming extremely close here:
“Who controls the past, controls the future, who controls the present controls the past”
“War is Peace, Freedom is slavery, Ignorance is Strength”
It’s like George Orwell was talking about Microsoft…he was way ahead of his time.
The Java VM is pretty advanced these days. I don’t think that the .Net VM is better. I’ve only seen a few “benchmarks” but I seem to recall Java beating .Net in all of them.
Someone should edit that wiki entry to correct the obvious pro-MS fud.
Are you sure he didn’t mean Sun?: In the future Java will be everywhere! Quite scary isn’t it how they plotted to take over the world.
Are you sure Mr. Muglia was addressing any possible performance differences between the two technologies? I think he meant that Microsoft was now ahead in the hype war. Isn’t that a turn of the tide worth mentioning? Previously Sun was always the undisputed hype champion.
I was talking about the wiki article for Ogre mentioned a few posts up… not the original article.
I can understand how people conclude C# is more “powerful”. C# has a lot of “gee whiz doodads” that can be cool and lead to succinct code, but all in all don’t add anything of real substance to the language or the platform. using blocks are a good example: just syntactic sugar for pre-configured try/catch/finally blocks. Almost all of the doodads in C# can be done in Java, just with a tad more code. I generally prefer Java’s “keep it simple and build bigger constructs out of the simplicity” over C#'s “everything and the kitchen sink” approach.
But I do like C#'s implementation of generics a lot better than Java; C# really is the better language in this aspect. I also have come to really like delegates. I used to think an interface with a single method in it is just as good as a delegate, but delegates are much more flexible. I’ve been coding in C# for my job for 3 years now, and my personal projects are almost always in java. There have been many a time I wished Java had delegates 
Regardless, C# wouldn’t be half of what it is without Java to copy from
As you said, in general you can port any C# app to Java, that why I said its not more powerfull.
Some people think its more elegant, but this is more of a personal taste.
As you, I personally prefer the general simplicity of Java (while being as powerfull):
- One type of collections, not generic ones and ones for object as in C#
- No user defined value-types (structs), because its easy to get semantic errors with them. (If a method takes an interface as argument, you always have to get sure that a value type implementing that will not break the algorithm, …)
- Virtual methods, which can be prevented from being overriden (final) is much nicer OO than a non-virtual default case,. (Is Java here more powerful here, or can one prevent overriding a virtual method in C#?)
- …
Although C# has some nice syntax candies, I always have to think which languages constructs I should use (like in c++). Java’s simplicity often only offers one (great) way, so I can focus on the algorithms/application. Further IMHO Microsoft tries to make C# more dynamic by introducing new language features every release. I prefer a seperate, more dynamic lanuage, like groovy is for the JVM.
On the other hand hand some addiotnal syntax stuff could not be too bad for JAVA. E.g. for one-method interfaces methods:
new Runnable { public void run () { … } } could be reduced to new Runnable.run() { … } since the return value is not part of a methods signature in Java.
Anyway, I don’t want to start/continue a personal taste language discussion here… posts on this topic already could fill one sub-forum.