Java Penetration?

General Discussions
#1

For mainstream users visiting sites, what is the penetration rate for Java as a whole and its various versions? (1.1, 1.4, 1.5, 1.6)

I haven’t been able to find any recent statistics detailing this.

#2

Once Java N update is complete (see https://jdk6.dev.java.net/6uNea.html) its not gonna matter as much. It will be much easier to get the version you need onto the client.

Currently I bundle a complete JRE into the installer (stripping out the files you legally allowed to) to ensure the application uses the JRE that I developed and tested with.

#3

Well I hoping that they get it right with the new consumer JRE.

Java on desktop has always been a bit weak, and I hoping this new JRE is gonna make desktop Java more viable.

#4

Most machines on the net these days have 1.4 or better installed. Applet support is generally crap though.

Cas :slight_smile:

#5

I was seeing only 1-2% of Java 1.1 VMs on pulpgames.net (1000’s of visitors per day). Java 1.3 was < 1%. Now the applets only support Java 1.4 and newer.

Server stats from yesterday:
Windows:
1.4 304 8.56%
1.5 1039 29.27%
1.6 2206 62.15%
1.7 0 0%
Mac OS X:
1.4 17 20.48%
1.5 66 79.51%
1.6 0 0%
1.7 0 0%
Linux:
1.4 3 14.28%
1.5 4 19.04%
1.6 14 66.66%
1.7 0 0%

#6

Java 1.6 under Mac OS X 0% ?? Why? It is a bit surprising. Is there a precise reason?

#7

It doesn’t exist
Except for OpenJDK but it has problems, http://weblogs.java.net/blog/fabriziogiudici/archive/2007/11/partial_port_of.html.

#8

[quote]Interesting… look at who’s on top.

http://216.147.18.102/dist/stats.shtml
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Well, it says “Statistical summation began on 20th December 2003”, so it’s a sum of the last 4 years. I did stats in spring of 2002, and I was seeing about 90% Java 1.1, but now I see only <2% - things have changed a lot in the last 4 years.

#9

Thanks for sharing this. :slight_smile:

Here are some sexy graphs (and some free advertising):
http://kaioa.com/node/40

#10

[quote]of the visitors visiting your site, how many don’t have Java at all?
[/quote]
Good question. I have no idea. Adobe’s stats say 85%: http://www.adobe.com/products/player_census/flashplayer/

I’ve got a script that scans the apache log files and reports which Java version requested a Jar - that’s where I get the version numbers. However, repeat plays in the same browser session skew the statistics (the browser makes a request for the html or js but a running VM doesn’t request the jar? Something weird like that). So I’d need some sort of dedicated script to detect if they have no Java installed (maybe I’ll try Sun’s deployJava.js, detect what they have and send it back to the server)

[quote]Also, what is the browser distribution on your site?
[/quote]
From awstats (any browser above 1%):
IE 6.0 50%
IE 7.0 28%
Firefox 2.0 15%
Firefox 1.x 2.5%
Safari 2%
Opera 1.5%

[quote]Very cool flash browser game.
[/quote]
Hehe… I’ve gotten quite a few emails asking me, “can I put your flash game on my site?”. It’s like a running gag.

#11

fwiw, we’re seeing something like 10% 1.1.4 (MS VM) - however its decreasing. There is also a fairly high adoption rate from 1.4 to 1.6. Seems the Java Auto update is working.

#12

Thanks, graphs are always fun :slight_smile:

#13

It’s definitely skewed at interactivepulp.com (about 170 visits/day)… it’s getting 55% Firefox over there :slight_smile:

#14

yeah, more “average” people than pulpcore visitors, I think?

#15

This is what I recorded from ± unique 300.000 unique visitors on www.arcazoid.com

Google analytics:

Browsers:
IE 75.11%
Firefox 20.96%
Safari 1.73%
Opera 1.35%
Mozilla 0.50%
Netscape 0.22%
Mozilla 0.05%
Konqueror 0.03%
Camino 0.01%

OS’es:
Windows 96.93%
Macintosh 2.36%
Linux 0.58%
(not set) 0.09%
SunOS 0.02%
FreeBSD 0.01%

Browsers with Java support: 99.29%

AWStats:

Browsers:
IE 74.3 %
Firefox 22.3 %
Safari 2.2 %
Opera 0.7 %
Mozilla 0.1 %

OS’es:
Windows 95.1 %
Macintosh 3.6 %
Linux 1 %
Onbekend 0.1 %

If we have to believe analytics almost all browsers have applet support (?!)
Unfortunatly I didn’t implement a JVM version checker, but I do record this in the error logs send :slight_smile: Judging from that it’s very close to the stats brackeen provided.

#16

Microsoft ain’t shipping a JVM at all anymore are they?

#17

Fortunatly not, It was last shipped with the first version of XP. First they developed a half crippled implementation which they could widespread, to drop support right after… another standard raped by MS >:(

#18

I dont have any precise numbers, but I think we see about 75% IE and firefox+netscape ~ 20% rest being opera and safari and misc. We have about > 95% windows, with ~ 75% of those being windows xp and about 10% windows 9x.

#19

On gagaplay.com:

Browsers:

  1. Internet Explorer 7.x 42,3 %
  2. Internet Explorer 6.x 27,0 %
  3. Mozilla Firefox 2.x 26,7 %
  4. Safari 1.x 1,7 %
  5. Mozilla Firefox 1.x 1,0 %
  6. Netscape 4.x 0,7 %
  7. Opera 9.x 0,7 %

OS:

  1. Windows XP 77,0 %
  2. Windows Vista 12,0 %
  3. Windows 2000 7,0 %
  4. Mac OS 3,0 %
  5. Windows 98 0,3 %
  6. Unknown 0,7 %

Java support: 95.51% (don’t know about versions)

Of course java support is high: If you don’t have java installed, there’s nothing to do on my site :slight_smile:
It’s probably lower generally.

#20

the isJavaEnabled is unreliable, and shouldn’t be used for anything demographics wise.