Where are you going with this? If you don’t like it, you’re free to leave. You’re currently in a community of game developers, that generally like to write their games in java. Proposing such a point, on this forum, is obviously asking for attention. It’s also cheeky.
Can we lock this thread already?
@longino, it mysteriously hasn’t stopped Puppygames, Three Rings, Mojang, Oddlabs, Swing Swing Submarine and others from making a small fortune though.
Tip: language has nothing to do with making games in the grand scheme of things. You are merely looking for excuses for your own failures.
Cas 
There’s an endemic lack of professionalism in here. It must be because the majority of Java game developers are hobbyists and not professionals, and that explains their inability to grasp the basics. An amateur has all the time of the world in his hands.
When you are professionally involved with something, you have a deadline. And your job depends on it. That’s how you pay your bills. Then every hour you spend fiddling around with libraries, trying to make them work or just evaluating them, is an hour less you have to develop your product.
That’s why there are Integrated Development Environments. Their purpose is to provide all to tools and libraries you would need to develop and deploy a product in one place. This way it is possible to focus on the actual product development.
I have the impression I am going over people’s heads in here. This should be common sense for anyone taking game development seriously. This attitude explains a lot in fact.
Obvious troll is obvious. Why even unban him? If he stays here, he will do nothing but make the atmosphere as toxic as possible.
Grow up.
Ahem. The libraries and extendability is what makes Java a very productive language to use. You have to do minimal work, if it doesn’t fall directly under your game logic. We’ve a lot of functionality covered.
A lack of professionalism, you say. Yet, you’re the person replying with “Grow up.”. Excellent work, on the double morals front.
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(mad props to Riven for adding time offsets to embedded videos!)
Agreed that language has little to do with whether a product is successful or not.
Saw the following article a few days ago and seems pretty true:
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Actually, I’ve found that’s what 80% of development is about. Finding the things you need and learning how to use it to get something to work. Fiddling through coworkers code, interfaces and reading API’s etc
One advantage you might have with Java is just how few libraries there are to evaluate. Helps focus you on just getting the job done.
Cas
In the areas where it’s been a success, Java has an embarassment of riches when it comes to getting just about anything done. Web frameworks, let’s see, JavaEE alone gives you JSP or facelets for view layers, then for backend you have servlets+ejb or JAX-WS or JAX-RS. Not to mention Stripes, Struts, Seam, Wicket, Tapestry, Spring MVC, and on and on… XML parsers, how’s two or three dozen strike you? Build systems, you’ve got ant, maven, gradle, buildr. To say nothing of the number of different languages that target the JVM…
I did not unban him, I will investigate.
Fixed!
This discussion is like a Tupperware Salesman talking to a Potterer creating handmade pottery.
“Look how easy they stack and can exchange covers in 5 different colors”
vs
“Look how nice of a pattern I can draw when I use a knitting pen and press here softly”