I've been accused of something horrendous

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#1

My friends and I were talking.
I gave a friend Eclipse ages ago, I also suggested Eclipse to another friend a few times(Now he’s using it).

Today one of my friends were saying that Eclipse was useless. Keep in mind these guys are first year undergraduates and the one who said it was useless had never coded before this year.

Anyway my friend who I had suggested Eclipse to had told my other friend not to worry because I “[…]forces Eclipse[…]” on everyone. :o
This shocked me because even though I tend to ramble on about things(like Eclipse being a Godsend) I never believed that I was so persistant to the point of me forcing another human being to use the world’s best IDE.

Does this mean I have a strong bias towards Eclipse?

#2

yes.

#3

And also that you haven’t tried NB5 :wink:

(joking)

Lilian

#4
  1. Eclipse really IS a Godsend :slight_smile:
  2. Your friends should also try some other IDE, and if they find it more comfortable they should stick to it. You have right to have your own opinion and to gospel it :slight_smile:
#5

Funny thing about Eclipse, all the other devs where I work use the Java perspective to code and navigate, and I use the Java Browsing perspective. It completely changes the IDE and I can’t for the life of me figure out why they use the daft tree view of the application. Whenever I have to tell them where something is it’s painful watching people scroll and click and scroll and click all over the place looking in the enormous tree when I’m only ever 3 clicks away from the precise method I want to edit. Ho hum.

Cas :slight_smile:

#6

I just use CTRL+SHIFT+T - no clicking, only typing :slight_smile:

#7

and ofcourse CTRL+O for methods

#8

There’s the problem right there, he’s unable to appreciate Eclipse for the sublime whisper of love that it so manifestly is because he can’t yet know how good it is.

Give him a year or two of manual-refactoring, classpath-setting, typo-ridden, uphill-both-ways-in-the-snow programming and he’ll see the light.

#9

It’s just like beer!
The first beer you ever drinked, tasted somewhat funny and you couldnt figure out what the fuzz was all about. But the more beer you drink, the more you seem to like the godsend brew.

And I would like to propose a toast for Eclipse, Cheers!

#10

Ask them what you should have done?
Tell them to use MS-Editor and the dos console?

To do a job you need the right tools, and when it comes to tools only the best will do.
Among them are imho Eclipse, jEdit and NetBeans.
You thought Eclipse is the best and thus you gave them the tool you thought was best.

If someone thinks Eclipse sucks… well then they should stay away from anything more complicated then a stick! :wink:

If you want to really rub it in, tell them you would gladly run through it with them step by step to make sure he gets it.

#11

The first semester of Java I had we used the old DOS standby, Edit. Even though I’d used IDEs in other languages, it worked fine. It’s just a newbie thing.

Incidentally, before I found Eclipse I used EditPadPro (a cool little text editor) for its syntax highlighting and project file support. If I’m working on a program where the entire thing is less than 300 lines, and less than 4 source files (give or take), I still use a text editor in some cases. Of course, I use EditPadPro for a number of other things as well - like jotting down game designs, editing batch files, and the like.

I say if your friends feel like you’re forcing Eclipse on them, tell them to grow a backbone and propose an alternative. :slight_smile: Sounds like they’re not going to be writing anything beyond the typical textbook algorithms for a while yet anyway.

#12

i started learning java on the BlueJ IDE, was the best at the time, very good for newbiees was planning to keep it as my primary ide, but when i started writing a proper project, it just wasn’t powerful enough to handle lots of classes and stuff, just became too cumbersome to manage the project and thus i needed something more powerful, so i decided to try eclipse and see what all the fuss was about, since then never looked back, now i’m just hooked onto eclipse, its really good once you get the hang of it, but i wouldn’t recommend it to someone new as the learning curve can be a bit high, if your new to programming.

#13

I started with kawa, two years ago, and i have to say it was very fast and simple and even better than eclipse or nb for a beginer (the auto-completion was very cheesy and it lacks automation, so you had to study the apis), but after trying eclipse, i think i’ll stick to it for a long time. It’s the best ide i have tried so far, intuitive (i got lost into nb :-[ ), very good and useful automatizations and the refactoring tool is cream. Without mention that there are plugins for almost everything.

so… stick to eclipse! ;D

#14

Eclipse is not for little girls. :stuck_out_tongue:

#15

Eclipse is the Porche 911 turbo of Java IDE’s - not everyone is ready for a stick shift and all that power :slight_smile:

#16

Well the Java Browsing view only lets you see the details of 1 class at a time, sometimes it is useful to drag & drop methods and data around between classes. I suppose control-c(or x)/ control-v might work.

What with control-shift-t and control-o the treeview really works for me… although for the life of me I can’t figure out why “Show in Package Explorer” is not bound to a hotkey. If I could just click on a symbol in code and jump directly to the tree without using that damn popup menu, I’d be happy.

#17

lol, i never expected to read “eclipse” and “turbo” on the same sentence

#18

It’s bloody fast these days for what it does.

Cas :slight_smile:

#19

It is, indeed, after a minute or so of loading.

#20

Have you ever waited for Visual Studio.NET to load a reasonably complex project? Just sit there for a minute or two watching the UI flicker like mad :slight_smile:

Eclipse is pretty darn awesome, and thankfully NetBeans 5 is catching up too. It still has a way to go in my book, but it has it’s own advantages and it’s nice to see that the NB team isn’t standing still. Competition is good - specially when I end up with free stuff because of it :).