Is JavaFX dead as well?

[Riven]

@JavaMan2

Plus, no signatures to clear!!

Well, you probably have granted Sun’s certificate. I had to [accept] it as usual.

[h3ckboy]

it took like 30 seconds to load…

[JavaMan2]

@Riven

Well, you probably have granted Sun’s certificate. I had to [accept] it as usual.

Ah, ok.

I will scratch though what I said about Vancouver not too serious about this app. Apparently the entire Vancouver RIA platform is based on JavaFX.
http://www.vancouver2010.com/more-2010-information/about-vanoc/sponsors-and-partners/vancouver-2010-sponsors/official-suppliers/

I wonder if this means that Sun will release JavaFX 1.3 soon. I can’t see the Olympics choosing an immature platform like JavaFX to power their client apps. Not that 1.3 is going to instantly mature JavaFX, but it, I hope, will make JavaFX better.

[Riven]

@JavaMan2

I wonder if this means that Sun will release JavaFX 1.3 soon. I can’t see the Olympics choosing an immature platform like JavaFX to power their client apps. Not that 1.3 is going to instantly mature JavaFX, but it, I hope, will make JavaFX better.

No matter what Sun releases, it takes roughly 5 years to have a serious penetration.

The developer(s) that did this should be fired, even if it worked flawlessly.

[princec]

It should work like this: I click on the page. The Olympics splash should be right there in my tab, with a loading bar, before I even get to see the word Java. Which I should never see. Then it should not crash.

Unfortunately, on two browsers with 6u17 running, I got a lengthy Java loading animation. One of them never finished; the other one did, but then vanished leaving a blank space, and that was all it ever did. It seems no-one else has had a good experience either.

How is it possible that Flash can do this so easily, so rightly, and Java can’t? And which fool decided it was a good idea to use it for this website?

Cas

[Riven]

@princec

It should work like this: I click on the page. The Olympics splash should be right there in my tab, with a loading bar, before I even get to see the word Java. Which I should never see. Then it should not crash.

Unfortunately, on two browsers with 6u17 running, I got a lengthy Java loading animation. One of them never finished; the other one did, but then vanished leaving a blank space, and that was all it ever did. It seems no-one else has had a good experience either.

How is it possible that Flash can do this so easily, so rightly, and Java can’t? And which fool decided it was a good idea to use it for this website?

Cas

We just have to accept that Sun engineers can’t do clientside stuff (including URLConnection which is probably at the root of MOST clientside tech bugs (applets,webstart).

To Sun: do a complete rewrite of URLConnection, make it 1 thread per connection, only support HTTP/1.0, and disable caching. Why? Because then it might actually work.

[JavaMan2]

@princec

How is it possible that Flash can do this so easily, so rightly, and Java can’t?

Really. After all these years of Java, the client side still sucks. At least though, Sun is doing something about it. JavaFX is only a year old.

As a side note, this app probably ran very well for me because my installation of Win7 is clean and brand new; and my pc is packed with top hardware. (I wouldn’t program on anything else)

[quote]And which fool decided it was a good idea to use it for this website?
[/quote]
I’m just throwing this out there, but I wonder if the Olympics are seen as a venue for new RIA platforms. The Bejing Olympics were powered by Silverlight, and now the Vancouver Games will be powered be JavaFX.
http://www.silverlightshow.net/news/Silverlight-will-power-2008-Beijing-Olympics.aspx

[trembovetski]

@Spasi

This worked pretty good for me, very fast loading, even on first time. I’m on Win7, JRE 6u18 (didn’t have to install JavaFX). Animation feels slow as Riven mentioned, not 5 fps slow, but not as smooth as I’d expect. Anyway, I’d say it gave me a positive impression if it weren’t for the crappy font rendering, no sub-pixel antialiasing and the wheel text flickers when animated. Not sure if it’s JavaFX or the app’s developer to blame.

The “slow” animation is application developer’s (or designers) choice. They have timelines for 2 seconds for every animation, despite ours begging them to change that.

[princec]

When I finally got it running it wasn’t any worse than mostly anything I’d seen in Flash. It’s just that anything I’ve seen in Flash has loaded 100% of the time, instantly, in all browsers, for years.

Cas

[Demonpants]

After looking at it I find myself thinking:

Why didn’t they use Flash?
???

[trembovetski]

Folks, if you encounter issues with launching the applet, please post your OS, browser and java version (and output from java console if you have one). The deployment team is very interested in resolving these issues.

Dmitri

[kappa]

fails and burns here on linux 64, think javafx doesn’t support the OS but a decent error would be nice.

[JavaMan2]

@kapta

fails and burns here on linux 64, think javafx doesn’t support the OS but a decent error would be nice.

No, there is no support for 64bit. I messed around with 64bit Ubuntu for awhile, trying to get JavaFX to work on it.

[Jono]

@JavaMan2

No, there is no support for 64bit. I messed around with 64bit Ubuntu for awhile, trying to get JavaFX to work on it.

That’s strange. JavaFX works out of the box for me on 64-bit Ubuntu.

[DzzD]

works fine here on a dual core T5750 with a decent graphic card ATI HD 3650, VISTA - Java-1.6-18b, would be a shame it was not, 20/25 s to start.

[quote]But, I’d say it is one of the better JavaFX apps I’ve seen.
[/quote]
and that’s the problem

[princec]

When was the last time anyone posted a forum post to say that a Flash game worked on their machine?

Cas

[Abuse]

I realize i’m resurrecting a dead thread, but it appears the JavaFX app. has been pulled from the website! :persecutioncomplex:
Though oddly the ‘Geo View’ button on this page of the website still links to it.

[DzzD]

@Abuse

I realize i’m resurrecting a dead thread, but it appears the JavaFX app. has been pulled from the website! :persecutioncomplex:
Though oddly the ‘Geo View’ button on this page of the website still links to it.

oups… this is pretty fun

EDIT : what I get when I click on the tab … (with the lastest java plugin 1.6-019) after a long loading … (seems the file really does not exist)

exception : JNLP file error: http://www.vancouver2010.com/ns/javafx/MedalVisualizer/snowapp_browser.jnlp. Please make sure the file exists and check if “codebase” and “href” in the JNLP file are correct…
java.io.FileNotFoundException: JNLP file error: http://www.vancouver2010.com/ns/javafx/MedalVisualizer/snowapp_browser.jnlp. Please make sure the file exists and check if “codebase” and “href” in the JNLP file are correct.
at sun.plugin2.applet.JNLP2Manager.loadJarFiles(Unknown Source)
at sun.plugin2.applet.Plugin2Manager$AppletExecutionRunnable.run(Unknown Source)
at java.lang.Thread.run(Unknown Source)
Exception : java.io.FileNotFoundException: JNLP file error: http://www.vancouver2010.com/ns/javafx/MedalVisualizer/snowapp_browser.jnlp. Please make sure the file exists and check if “codebase” and “href” in the JNLP file are correct.