I’m Ags, and that’s why I drink!
in almost all your answers, you are ignoring this statement of mine
People who are getting drunk and do it probably habitually. drinking a glass of wine at dinner, is not even alcohol to me. I wouldnt do it but I just dont like fermented stuff.
It is rude, but it’s my honest feeling. Most everyone is a selfish idiotic ignorant asshole out there, and thats why this planet sucks so hard. Basically. I 'm actually a super optimistic and happy guy, but doesnt change the fact that this planet is pretty rotten.
Also @ watching TV, that is borderline stupid too in 2014, just saying. Not enough ambition to do anything just turn on FoxNews or some reality TV show and just watch and shut up huh. yeah rude again, I just think its fundamentally wrong.
and yes I do feel changing your personalities using chemicals instead of will is fundamentally wrong. My opinion.
Yes. First I would have probably avoided this argument but I saw that “news” after i posted it.
You are already labeling someone who wasn’t even in court yet. Fair and just, I see. Just like Micheal Jackson huh. Also turned his skin white after singing that race doesnt matter and then oops his autopsy showed he actually did have vitiligo which he has been saying all along.
28QK4LQPiEA
Obviously this has nothing to do with anything. What Bill Cosby did or didn’t do in his private and sexual life has no impact on him being intellectual and one of the greatest comedian ever.
I’m not ignoring it. I just think you’re setting up a false dichotomy between “stupid people who drink” and “smart people who never drink”. It’s not that simple.
Doesn’t sound like an optimist. It sounds like a teenager who has it all figured out. We’ve all been there. 
Just looked at your profile and turns out you’re 26. Haha!
Again, a false dichotomy. What about people who watch documentaries? Or who only watch a half hour of “bad” tv a week?
I don’t watch tv or even have cable, but life isn’t as black-and-white as you’re making it out to be. That’s my only point.
Another false dichotomy.
Like I said before, plenty of people believe that eating meat is fundamentally wrong. Or that not giving more money to charity is fundamentally wrong.
Other people would say that not going to church every sunday is fundamentally wrong. Or that not wearing certain styles of clothing is fundamentally wrong.
My only point is that the world is full of shades of grey, so you come off as a bit naive with your “the world is crap, why aren’t people more like me” diatribe.
[quote=“Cero,post:62,topic:51375”]
Not sure what you’re on about here.
[quote=“Cero,post:62,topic:51375”]
It does have an impact on whether you should use him as your example of a black-and-white, all-or-nothing “morality”.
It’s a reflection of how society acts in general. And again you are ignoring it otherwise it should say “stupid people who choose to get drunk regularly” and “smart people who dont”
Hm using humility to… make your point ? Nice.
Yes I have indeed figured out that our society is pretty fucked up. I didn’t know it was supposed to be tough to figure out.
Why would you bring up TV in a discussion about morals and then say what about documentaries ? It’s like trolling. Obviously there is nothing wrong with that.
Thats valid and romantic, I just feel many things are without a doubt wrong and many other things are big indications that someone doesn’t really care about morals.
And I never said people should be like me, I am not like agentd either, I just judge the way people are, there are lot of ways to be “better”.
One is not supposed to judge themselves. I cannot say I am a good person, all I can say that I try as hard as I can.
Obviously I have a moral compass that I believe in, otherwise I couldn’t engage in such a discussion.
The only one sounding arrogant and sounding like he has it all figured out, is you, who tries to use humility to prove his point.
I love to be wrong in life, I love learning, I like to fail and grow from it. So now, I don’t have it all figured out, since I know I mature. But at this point I have a basic understanding of what I believe is right and wrong.
I never said morality, just intellectual.
It’s just a funny bit pointing out the questionable logic in that behavior.
And again no it doesnt have any impact, because just because the media says there are some “allegations” doesnt mean shit. The media shows what you wanna see, not what is factually correct. So not sure why you didn’t get my Michael Jackson reference. That’s why I’m upset you bring that shit even up. It’s sensationalistic entertainment news and has nothing to do with reality.
Ok well think of it like this, you are smart because you are not then daring yourself to drink an entire bottle , and yes the people are correct by the fact that it will be delayed however after the delay you will feel absolutely horrendous , if you have a small liver there is a good chance it may fail especially if the drinking isnt spread out. From our good friends at google this is basically what happens , Alcohol is metabolised by specific proteins within your liver , the first called Dehydrogenese , this as it says removes hydrogen , however this makes the chemical that makes you drunk , most people have very high amounts of dehydrogenese , its a very useful protein however they have very little of the protein that turns its metabolant into a safe chemical , the metabolant is acetldehyde , this is what makes you feel dreadful , the reason why you can feel it up to two days later is because it is broken down by aldehyde dehydrogenase which is no where near as prevalent as dehydrogenese, so big liver and a consistant drinker GO FOR IT , first or one of the first times for god sake atleast have a spare liver on standby.
Even then, that’s a false dichotomy.
I’m not saying that everybody should start drinking, or that people who choose not to drink are, well, anything really. If you don’t want to drink, that is absolutely fine. But to say “I don’t want to drink, AND everybody who disagrees with me is an immoral idiot” is a bit unfair, given that none of the “drinkers” in the thread have said anything bad about you.
I originally brought TV into the discussion to demonstrate the difference between enjoying things in moderation and overdoing it. Most of us here probably play video games every once in a while- in other words, in moderation. But we probably also know people who overdo it and let the rest of their life suffer in favor of video games. Does that mean everybody who plays video games is an idiot? Nope. Just like not everybody who drinks is an idiot, like you seem to be saying.
You were the one who brought “morality” into the discussion. My only point continues to be that the world is not as simple as you’re making it out to be.
Again, my only point is that morality is not as simple as you’re making it seem. We can probably all agree that torturing kittens to death, like you brought up, is wrong. We can probably extend that and say torturing any animal is wrong. Yet how many people here are going to eat chicken or beef or pork today, even though the meat industry pretty much does torture those animals their entire lives?
Does that mean everybody who eats a burger today is an immoral person? Nope. It’s not that simple.
So if we can’t even agree about something as simple as “don’t torture stuff”, then I don’t know how you can make the leap to “everybody who drinks regularly is immoral”. That’s it. That’s my only point. It’s not that simple. I’m not sure how you can disagree with that.
[quote=“Cero,post:64,topic:51375”]
I’m not sure how I’m sounding arrogant, or what “using humility to prove my point” even means. I was asked a question: why do people drink? I attempted to answer that question. You reacted by calling me immoral. I answered that by saying morality really isn’t that simple. And now you react by calling me arrogant. I haven’t called you any names (unless you count “teenager” as an insult), so I’m not sure why you continue to insult me?
I’m not sure why you posted about Cosby in the first place. Should I react by posting famous, super smart people who are known to enjoy drinking? No, because it doesn’t really have anything to do with the original question. Just like your diatribe about morality and murdering kittens and Cosby doesn’t seem to have anything to do with the original question. What’s your goal here? Who are you talking to when you call us immoral?
I’m not really interested in your flamewar, and I said at the beginning that I’m not trying to convince anybody of anything, I just wanted to respond to your accusations of my immorality. My response is simply that morality is not that simple, and that things (like beer, or TV, or video games) can be enjoyed in moderation without taking them to extremes.
I think everyone should just do whatever makes life enjoyable and worthwhile for them. I just read past the posts on ice cream and beer, which is what I’m going to get now. YOLO
You are saying “its not that simple” like you are an authority on morality.
Morality is nothing absolute, everyone’s moral compass is different.
Strangling a kitten doesnt have to be inherently immoral. Society would tell you so, however the universe or nature doesn’t care and will not punish you, morality is pure fiction and not inherent. Animals don’t regret killing prey.
So morality means something different to everyone; and this is mine; this is why I do not drink.
Also not sure I agree with the meat example. I eat meat every day, however the meat industry seems of course quite evil (as almost everything that tries to be economical will be, exploiting someone or something at some point to get more money). So by buying that meat you are supporting this which fuels it which seems wrong.
The only reason we do it is because we ignore the issue, we close our eyes, it’s easier to ignore it … and we all have more pressing issues.
I can’t really… and wont make any excuses.
Well people would violate, kill, steal and rape much more than now, in that case ^^’
No. But you are saying that drinking is inherently wrong, like you are an authority on morality.
Okay… so what’s your point? You don’t feel like drinking, and that’s absolutely fine. Nobody really asked why you didn’t drink. The conversation was about why some people do drink. Was it necessary for you to chime in and call the people who do drink immoral?
You’ve described yourself as a moral person, have now said that eating meat is immoral, and have criticized society as a whole for not caring about morality. Does this mean you’re going to stop eating meat now?
Wait… your idea of an enjoyable and worthwhile life is violating, killing, stealing, and raping?
Yikes.
Get a room you two, get it out of your systems. We can do without the bickering.
And… yes, stealing and raping is OK, obviously.
Agreed. I simply didn’t think it was cool to call people immoral, when morality is not as simple as “all people who do XYZ are bad”.
Either way, it’s a style of discussion that only drives the parties involved apart, so just drop it, regardless of how skewed you deem his perspective. For the persistent folks, the padded room awaits.
Yikes.
You think people enjoy those things? You must live in a terrible place and I feel sorry for you mate. All the people around me and myself are all enjoying our lives without doing any of those things.
I think everyone on here would be happier if we just get away from this thread and get on with our lives. I’m sure most of you have better things to do. Well at least I do (might even drink some vodka actually, but not half a bottle so don’t worry).
I would probably say if you got hit in the head with a baseball bat everyday for the next week you would probably come out better than if you drank one bottle of vodka.
This is not true.
Alcohol does not kill brain cells. The only people who “compare it to being hit by a baseball bat” are people who have no idea what they’re talking about.
Does that mean everybody should drink? Nope. But all of this misinformation is a bit over the top.
Can we be done with this thread yet? Ludum Dare is happening in 4 hours- can’t we talk about that instead?
Source of the quote was a neurologist, putting the effects of passing out due to alcohol, in Layman’s terms, like already stated in this thread.
It’s much more fun getting smashed on booze compared to getting smashed by a baseball bat.
Live a little! It can be fun.
Cas 
I’ll join in really really late and say I enjoy alcohol once in a while because it’s a fun activity to do socially. Also it really is relaxing and makes things much more lively. I don’t go full retard and get absolutely drunk, but I enjoy the strong buzz sometimes.