One will have to die (or set free into the opensource jungle), can’t see it making any sense for IBM to support both Eclipse and Netbeans. My guess is it’ll be Netbeans ;D.
As I said, would be a pity, now that Netbeans is useable at last 
(I still hate Eclipse, though. Guess this would be good news for Intellij)
Please no! Keep Java under GPL.
I agree. I watched Sun buy an awesome language (Forte) because it was making loads of money, then they totally mismanaged it until they finally killed it 2 years ago. Sun, IMO is not a software company. Java will be better off with any of the other companies.
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The market appears to think an acquisition of some sort is incredibly likely: http://finance.yahoo.com/echarts?s=JAVA#chart1:symbol=java;range=5d;indicator=volume;charttype=line;crosshair=on;ohlcvalues=0;logscale=on;source=undefined
Sun’s up 80% since the announcement, without much of a dent in IBM (http://finance.yahoo.com/echarts?s=IBM#chart1:symbol=ibm;range=5d;indicator=volume;charttype=line;crosshair=on;ohlcvalues=0;logscale=on;source=undefined)
I’m ultimately somewhat optimistic about this - personally, I think IBM is a far superior company business-wise (disclaimer: I’ve been long IBM for quite a while, and would not touch JAVA with a ten foot pole), and that could mean extremely good things for desktop Java simply because of the possibility that they’ve got enough cash on hand to throw a few more people on the project (IIRC Sun currently only has a very small handful of people on desktop Java, and even if IBM just put a few more people on the job it could help significantly). Sun has always struck me as the prime example of what happens when you fill a company with brilliant technical people and mismanage them into the ground, so perhaps IBM can put the great minds there to better use; anyhow, I think it’s long past time for Sun’s current form to give way to something new…that said, I’d probably agree that I’d prefer someone else to do the buying-out, ideally someone with a little more incentive to focus on end-user Java (Google, where are you in this? Don’t tell me you wouldn’t love to guide Java’s evolution yourselves…).
Interesting times for Sun and Java, though…on balance, I’m cautiously hopeful that this will lead to something good.
That’s also new to me. I didn’t know it stand for anything.
If IBM did buy Sun I would hope it would add more developers to the Java side.
I would rather see Google buy Java, I know they would manage it well.
I agree, the Google libraries I use (Guice and Google Collections, don’t even know if they have more) are truly excellent. Plus Joshua Bloch works for them 
Humm… I quickly read every reply I think but I am not sure was this discussed: What happens in office battle? IBM has put a lot of effort and money to that Lotus thing but sun has OpenOffice.org which sound to me much more widely used.
Humm… btw. Doesn’t Play Station 3 have PowerPc kind of processors made by IBM. There already exists JVM on PPC architechture on macs. Play Station also uses Open GL soo 1+1 = :persecutioncomplex:
The XBox 360 and the Wii also have a ppc based processor where IBM was involved.
I’m not sure how I feel about this. I love Java, but I honestly think Sun hasn’t done too much that I care about lately. IBM is a cool company, but I’ve never seen anything they did which I really cared about either (except Eclipse). I would be hesitant to have Google buy them because I’m honestly worried about Google becoming an internet monopoly. In terms of doing stuff for the end-user, Apple purchasing Sun might be interesting, mostly because then maybe I could finally use Java on the iPhone. 
But anyway I think it’s really hard to say what will happen here. We’ll see, I suppose.
GOOGLE!!
It may sound wierd but I am a google fan. (I have read their book goes and cries :))
If Apple were to buy Sun I would hastily learn C# :-
I can’t stand Apple’s philosphy toward either developers or customers.
Google would shake things up abit; maybe that’s what Sun needs.
I doubt either are likely candidates though.
Hmm. For me google is the one thing on earth that scares me more than fundamental terrorists… but if you like being completely analysed from any thinkable angle, this might not bother you
You know, you’re right.
Apple has treated Java incredibly poorly and hasn’t been too hot with its customer base either lately. And their docs are terrifyingly awful for Objective-C.
Also, C# basically is Java, so you would probably spend about 2 days learning it.
You can learn the syntax even in two hours, but its not about the syntax, its about the api and frameworks. You won’t learn these in two days.
Depends on what you are doing - there is
NHibernate
NAnt
Spring.Net
Log4Net
and
Asp.Net is basically JSF
I support google for world domination…
yeah, - no.
Anyways you guys do know how Google got his initial capital? (it’s closely related to the story why good business plans are no longer then 2 pages)
Sun is the most misunderstood stock on the stock exchange, if anything the discussions about the IBM takeover have only highlighted it even more. I’ve seen ppl subscribe value to things related to a possible merge that are going to fail miserably.
You should really read Johnathan’s last 4 blog post’s and realize just how much the strategies of both companies collide.
IBM has a healthy competition with sun on the area’s they compete, as in it drives both companies innovation. And where they don’t compete they pretty much cooperate.
The only reason I can see IBM buying Sun that would actually pan out is that it’s pocket change and prevents it from falling into the hands of someone else.
About forte, in my inital search I couldn’t find much about it but it seems thats what the server is called the actually language is Tool? What was so great about it?
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The funny thing with opensource is that the jack is out of the box. what are you worried about?
As far as products go it makes more sense for google to take over they do some hardware, they don’t have a server/desktop OS that they want to push, etc. But as I mentioned before I rather see Sun go private the only real problems that have plagued Sun in the near past is that it’s a company registered with the stock exchange.
Oh it’s also nice to see that we drived up the price here by half a billion here everyone on the news was talking about 6,5. ;D
IBM probably just wanted some of Sun’s IP.
Forte: Well, for gamers, not much. For Fortune 500 companies, a lot! Image a language where you write some code and deploy it. Then when the company grows 500%, your admins simply buy a few more servers/DBs and drag and drop your code onto them. It was really that easy. Oh, and Forte also had a true WYSIWYG visual editor. Forte was not actually a language, it was its own environment. You are correct, the language of Forte was called TOOL.
However, all is not lost. As it happens, some of the programmers that worked on Forte, now work on Java. I had a good laugh when I saw the shiny new jConsole that came out with Java 6…looks just like Fortes eConsole!
And I really shouldn’t complain, as I made some nice $$$ working for a company converting people from Forte to Java: http://www.iterative-consulting.com/page/jctool_customers.html ;D