LOL You must be kidding me, maybe because people know you are affiliated with Java so they dont want to hurt your feelings because I hear it ALL the time, anytime I try and send my games to friends or at a family members house, its everywhere!
who really know… they change their design every year… blue-yellow-red / orange-white / red-white
fun to look java.com in the past : http://web.archive.org/web/*/java.com
Gotta love their purple/yellow/red design: http://web.archive.org/web/20021029201755/java.sun.com/getjava/
:persecutioncomplex:
This is another symptom of an overall branding failure by Sun.
I’m not sure if they realize that Java is, for the vast majority of users, the only face they see of Sun Microsystems.
What message does Java give? It’s a mysterious software package that the user never directly invokes, but supposedly gives them access to other programs. During installation, it tries to trick them into installing other software. When they search for it, they’re confronted with a creepy, eyeless mascot that shares a nickname with feces.
Actually this is easy to track - the installer can ping when the user cancels the installation at that page.
I’m pretty sure this info is available - but it’s likely internal only.
I know that we run different installers versions offering the same product with slightly different pictures/wording, and track which ones get installed which isn’t to maximize the number of people who agree to install the product.
Dmitri
I think you miss the point a bit, Markus said that Java wasn’t installed in the first place, which I’m sure meant: not even downloaded too. That’s impossible to track.
One can track download page hits versus downloads, which though not quite the same thing, gives a little indication.
I don’t think people really have much of a problem downloading and installing Java (at least not on Windows anyway) - it’s a pretty standard, painless affair for 99.9% of users. I think mostly the issue stems from the fact that prior to plugin2, which is what everyone has, the Java experience has probably been bad enough to simply turn everyone off of the idea of using it. I notice Flash 10.1 has proper 3D. I think that’s Game Over on the applet front - I can’t think of any reason to use applets now, really. If Webstart got revamped into being a proper installer/updater service, somewhat like a combination of Steam and NSIS capabilities, that’d probably help a bit in some other areas.
Cas 
Looking at some of there latest 3d demos are not bad at all: http://alternativaplatform.com/en/alternativa3d/
I see they have 10.1 on android: http://labs.adobe.com/technologies/flashplayer10/
[not so interesting observation]
The temple & bunker demos are peculiar; they only applies AA when the camera is stationary for 1/2 a second.
Well the 3d itself isn’t great (Java is a clear winner here). But I found the apps were user friendly. A nice loading bar which loaded very quickly, and then it loads all its resources in the background. No problems at all.
That’s just software 3D - no better or worse than 3ddz’s software rendering on Java AFAICT. 10.1 apparently brings hardware acceleration to the table (http://www.adobe.com/devnet/logged_in/jchurch_flashplayer10.1.html has a precious little more info), with all the same smooth seamless installation and simplicity that Flash has always had. Anybody got a beta to try those 3d thingies out in?
Cas
Hi guys,
I was just prompted to update Java. I thought I’d show you the two screens I got. Here is the first dang advertisement. OpenOffice.
http://img5.imageshack.us/img5/3440/javaone.jpg
But here is the really pathetic screen.
http://img7.imageshack.us/img7/4163/javatwo.jpg
By the way, the Yes, I want Bing Toolbar for Internet Explorer was automatically checked. Oh, and another thing. The image quality of the UI installer is total crap. The images I inserted here are straight crops of a screen shot, and my I don’t have my resolution at 800*600 I hope Oracle will get the Java deployment experience better. Sigh
Grief, that’s awful 
Cas
It was supposed to be a ‘Java Marketplace’ right?
So where are the products ? Please make it so that we have to see N products and have to press [ Next ] as many times.
Please make the checkbox randomly checked for every product. Preferably uncheck the first 3, so that we have this sense of security, and we will just blaze through the 2 last products that are checked by default.
Seems private JREs are definitely the way to go, thanks Sun for resolution of this dilemma 
I just got a java update message on Windows Vista. The installer started and completed as normal but I didn’t see any ad’s (apart for the openoffice ones) or any option asking me to install a toolbar. It was shock a pretty good update experience (minus the two next buttons i had to click which could be reduced to just one click), maybe the toolbar thing only appears randomly or something? :persecutioncomplex:
Yup, that’s what ChrisM said.
LOL all you want, but it’s the truth. And no, most of the people I know are not affiliated with Java, at all. Worst case is they have to download Java and so through the install.