http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/9mlum/f**k_you_sun_bundling_trialware_with_the_latest/
+1 idiotic to say the least - and then opt out, what a bunch of *
I don’t want to see this when updating:
Is the checkbox checked by default (I always forget if that’s ‘opt-in’ or ‘opt-out’)? That would be even worse.
I want the google toolbar back! 
I just did an update (1st i’ve done since Dec 08!), and didn’t see this - all I got was the old google toolbar package ( 1.6.0_15-b03 ) - Which is also an opt-out :-\
What version is this suppopsed to come packaged with? is it certain regions only?
Schwartz needs to have his hands cut off - I find his flailing hands very distracting in that video!
According to the one that took the screenshot it is checked by default, he just took the screenshot after he unchecked it.
Meh really don’t care myself, its gotta pay somehow. Though I hope to see quicker updates because of this!
asterisk asterisk asterisk asterisk Sun!
End user experience finally was on the way up… and now this.
I’m so happy my boss already gave up on clientside Java.
I wouldn’t have been able to defend this crap.
just crazy… Sun must have a special Section looking for what can make end-user go away from Java… damn those people should have been fired out for such stupid idea…
Actually, the opt-out has been present for any random install the JRE pulls down (Open Office, Yahoo & Google toolbars, Puzzle Pirates, etc.).
So what opt-out will be next? Porn?
Well, hold on a sec. You really can’t equate the two. Opt-out of a generally acceptable app vs. opt-out of a porn installer is not the same thing.
It’s just that it gets getting worse all the time, for the end user that is, the JRE is getting better. Remember what happened to RealPlayer? At the rate Java Updates are pushed out, people will be annoyed several times, mistakenly install stuff they don’t want, and then uninstall Java because they are sick of it. I didn’t like the Google Toolbar, but hey, you guys need to make some millions, for hosting costs and a fair profit, I understand, but these applications are ‘unknown, untrusted and therefore overall scary’, which is several orders of magnitude worse than a Google Toolbar. You ‘guys’ might want to think twice about wasting the goodwill you have left.
Actually, the JRE does not always pop up an opt-out/install 3rd party app window every time Java is updated, it is randomized. As for the comparisons to RealPalyer, they are really different. RP wanted use case information, personal data, etc. and would push offers even after the install was done and when you would go to just play a media file.
As it stands today, the system generates revenue for Sun that is pumped back into developing the platform.
Okay. Let’s say (this is 100% hypothetical) that you’d demand $1 for each JRE install.
Surely you could say that every dollar received would be pumped back into devloping the JRE, but at what cost ? If you scare off your end users, there won’t be that much $1 payments.
I honestly think that this shareware is a step too far. End users barely accept toolbars from known vendors, anything further and people will either be annoyed (which is bad enough, even if they complete the install), or click the conveniently placed ‘Cancel’ button.
To be clear, I have no part in the install deals that Sun strikes, that is the Java organization.
Now, as I am honestly curious to hear other alternatives, how do you think Sun should generate revenue from their development effort of Java? Again, I am really interested in hearing people’s perspectives on this.
Charge out the butt for tech support?