… do you feel that inviting a Sony official to join this forum would help? Just curious.
Jeff
sony today is intrested only in lanching ps3 in spring (but probably it will be in summer), i do not think that they will be any time intrested java gaming (except cell phones)
I would say that Sony is totally neutral.
The want developers to write games. They really don’t care what tools they use. if enough developers pestered them for a Java VM, or one game they rally wanted bad was already in Java, then they’d care.
Til then there is nothing in it for them one way or the other,
I’d love to be able to talk to a Sony engineer in here about a few things… in particular Sony should be interested in what XBox is doing for indie developers (see Hamsterball and Mutant Storm for two massive success stories on XBox). I cannot develop for XBox as there’s no OpenGL on it but the PS3 has potential for a bit of LWJGL action… just needs a proper fast VM to open the doors to us.
Cas 
princec are there any plans to create jvm for ps3 and xbox, for example does sun plan to develop it with those companys, becouse those consoles are able to connect with net etc so they should have some kind of browser, also they have hdd so some jvm plugin probably could be stored there…
Don’t ask me, I know nothing!
Cas
I know it’s a bit unrelated but concerning Java on consoles, did you know that the Phantom console is supposed to be available soon according to their website? The good news about that is that it’s supposed to ship with a Windows JVM if I’m not wrong (don’t remember where I saw that info).
The Phantom console is something of a joke.
Cas
Are you absolutly sure about that? Why is there still a website of that. And they had a booth at E3 2004.
phantom right, i do not think that even that company think that they will be able to lanch that console, but well it is a pc that you can connect to tv (it has windows xp system) sp maybe someone will buy it . I was thinking about jvm for true consoles like ps3 and xbox 360 becouse they will be in future the most popular and will be able to handle jvm (enough memory good gpu etc) and heard that some people has create their own jvm implementation for ps2, it was working but ps2 has only 30 mb of memory so it was only good for testing, anyway is sun intrested in consloes?
Apparently not. But I imagine that it would be a legal battle between Sony and Sun. Sony wants developers to use their middleware for game development. I doubt that Sony would allow a PS3 game to be developed using Java SE, JOAL and eitherJOGL, LWJGL, or Java3D and other Java technologies. How would the two companies merge together and benefit from this?
sun has created its own games sever technology so they are intrested in game industry as general i think, and jogl , joal etc i read somewhere that they were created at start as a project to enable java for playstation, so interfaces to handle graphics input etc were required, but something has happen and that cooperation has ended, jogl went to jsr-231 implemetation . How they could benefit ? Well they benefit all the time but only in cell phone gaming, i think that the problem is that java game market as standalone applications for pcs is not strong, so they will not make money on it (like in cell phones) , we will not make money either :’(
I still have a website and I haven’t produced anything of value in years 
OK But still how do you explain spending a lot of money for a bootth at E3 and being not serious about the project?
They propably started out serious… but then were unable to pull it off.
Or if they are crooks, maybe they just wanted to generate interests to get some investors to give them some money??
Maybe the Feds should look into this? j/k ;D
I agree with what you’re saying … for cell phone gaming. Gaming consoles?
that’s how you get more money. Standard con-job :).
And … I believe the feds have already been tipped-off to look at them before (although I might be thinking of a different games console company which had similar rumours about its future - there have been several now :))
About Phantom:
(Look at the date)
There was quite a long discussion on JGO last year when HardOCP’s investigation came to light. It basically looks like Infineon is at best pie in the sky and at worst a proper fraud. Caveat lector - do your own research though, can’t believe everything you read on teh intarweb.
Cas