Zeitgeist: Addendum
http://www.zeitgeistmovie.com/
You have to watch this awesome documentary. Its really hard to explain, but its basically about the U.S. money system (Monetary System). But it affects the whole world, so everyone needs to watch this. 
Watch the 2008 one, and then the 2007 one if you want.
Please watch and post what you think here. I joined the movement.
Oh theres a 2008? Cool, I’ll watch that tomorrow.
I have watched the 2007 and thought that was really good documentary.
Yeah its even better, they propose a solution. Called The Venus Project, which changes everything for the better.
In France, there are other videos about this, “L’Argent Dette” (money debt) of Paul Grignon. There are some contradictions in Zeitgeist: Addendum 2008, it criticizes communism but suggests similar solutions like a resource-based economy, a common good for all human beings, no state, no normative deformation, the religion as an obstacle of emancipation, no master, no slave, no guru, no teacher, no pupil, the revolution (pronounced several times). Thinking the technology is the solution is wrong because it depends on how it is used, it is a political problem, it depends on political choices.
Yes if it politics are still around. The Venus Project proposes having no government either. All choices will be made by computers, based on the resources available. There is no money, so there is no one able to benefit from misinformation because everyone will have everything they need or want.
Please post your thoughts if you’ve seen the movie
A propaganda movie about creating a star trek society.
Btw, here is a link to Paul Grignon’s Money As Dept:
http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=money+as+dept#
I didn’t know there was a 2008 version, gonna check that out.
If you find this “mumbo jumbo” stuff interesting, also check out some of the talks by David Icke
Money as Debt was really interesting, highly recommended for anybody who’s wondering where money comes from or how this sudden “credit crunch” could appear from out of the blue.
I’ve always felt that goverment brings out all the bad characteristics of humans. The very design of our society encourages fear, submission, isolation and excessive consumption rather than compassion, creativity, unity and spirituality. Here’s a lovely quote:
“Just look at us. Everything is backwards. Everything is upside-down. Doctors destroy health, lawyers destroy justice, universities destroy knowledge, governments destroy freedom, the major media destroy information, and religion destroy spirituallity .”
– Michael Ellner
I dont like how they side-step the problem of making a transition from monetary to resource based economy? I’m thinking it would need to be subtle & take at least a generation if not more…
Also, if we’re all in the venus project, and we all drive Ferrrai F430’s because we all want one…(though I don’t see how), what happens if someone is beating me over the head and there is no police?
A credit to it for being thought provoking but personally the show left me with more questions than when I started watching…
It will become clearer how to transition from our current system to the resource based system, once we get enough people to watch the movie. And experts will start planning the next steps.
First things you can do now are promote the movie anyway you can, and start investing in green technology. Like getting solar panels for your house, just in case the current system crashes, and money is worthless.
Lol one way I read on their forums to promote, was write ZeitgeistMovie.com on money. Using money to fight the problem.
so if there is a resource system, would that mean no more copywrite laws as they are not really resource.
Yes that is correct, all knowledge will be free for anyone to use. I think there will still be creator credit given, but everything will be open to be used by everyone.
Imagine all our countries’ space programs combined, all knowledge is known by each of them. Can you imagine where we would be already if it was like that. Instead of having it be a competition of who could reach what faster.
It is a political problem and a system that would deny the political nature of the choices for another society is potentially at least as dangerous as the system it would replace because it could lead to another technocracy. During the second world wide war, national-socialists tried to use the science to prove that they weren’t wrong. Currently, about several subjects, in European Union, laws are adopted without any democratic control because some people say that it is not OUR problem, we are not experts but everyone is concerned by these laws therefore everyone should have the right to decide. Try to understand that an expert is a human being, nothing more; if you give to a few human beings the power to decide for us, it would lead to another “corpocracy”, a kind of new oligarchy, it is worse than democracy on my view.
The first part of the video is quite fine but I give you the advice to read more about scientism because it is exactly the theory defended in this video. A system based on scientism only replaces the current masters by other masters, call them experts.
Do you know nanosolar? Its technology seems very promising.
Lol, the new system is so far from a political nature that there will be no interference from man to decide much of anything. The rundown is, everyone sees that money is bad. So we change to a society that balances all resources so everyone has access to them, instead of the rich only. It really doesn’t have much to do with science, the more important thing is technology. Right now we can all have electric cars not polluting our ecosystem, but due to lack of money and oil companies driving up battery prices. Means only a handful have them.
An expert in our current system is a way to lock up our human potential. If somebody knows a little about everything he will likely not vote, not get a job, not make purchases. Because he knows that the whole system is messed up. And our current society shoves it in your face that you must go to college, get a degree, and work in one field.
Who here would like to go back to college and study and learn about all kinds of other stuff at their own free will? Well we can’t thanks to debts we got to pay off, and the cost of time to even finish one degree. We must go back to work in a meaningless job.
Interesting views… but in reality, it can never work for a single reason.
Human greed.
The majority of people don’t care to “share”. Eliminate that trait (genetically?) and a resource economy has a chance to survive.
Also, the red flashing light always goes off in my head when I hear the word “expert”. Experience has shown that most of the times these people are anything but… and are usually really bad at seeing the bigger picture. Our last, self procliamed 3D expert at an old company asked us lowly developers after 6 months of employment “Which way do the axis go again?” (he was referring to the X/Y/Z axis)
A good system can work, But the problem is a Leader. I get that on these forum people seem to be free thinkers but in truth the majority of people are sheep, and need a leader.
So the best system by far is a dictatorship under 1 good leader, but its also the worst system under 1 bad leader. So anyway vote 1 bobjob for world ruler next global election.[
The human greed doesn’t determine everything. The human beings can change. In France, before 1789, lots of rich people thought that the peasants were unable to revolt, that it was their human greed to be in a state of “slavery”. It is not so simple.
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You cannot create a world without politics.
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I think that money is bad but some people disagree with us.
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Admit that it looks like communism ;D If everyone has access to all resources, then there are no more rich people, then all social classes disappear : a system without state and without social class is a communist system.
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Technology or science, the problem is the same, you cannot try to convince people that experts can decide instead of people, it is not democratic.
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The risk in any system is that there is a confusion between political choices and technical choices. Voting is not an absurd useless thing. In lots of countries, political parties are only the devices used by corporations but there are already some of them that denounce the “corpocracy” and suggest other viable political solutions than the Venus Project on my view.
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I agree with you about this aspect, I’m very sad because I have a boring job, I would like to program video games instead of doing this sh… but building an oligarchy that would give lots of power to some experts and that would rely on machines programmed my human beings (with political ideas) would not solve the problem. Currently, a machine cannot have political ideas but can be programmed to make decisions on political criteria, it might lead to the best and to the worst too, denying the political nature of these decisions exposes the whole world to the threat of machines applying political criteria that are not “good” for everyone.
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The world cannot rely on only a single man. Louise Michel wrote that the power gives vertigo. The power has to be shared to avoid this.
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“Le savoir rend libre” = “The knowledge drives free”. I’m not a sheep, I fought against racists when I was very young, nobody really asked me to do this, I did it because I was sure that what I was doing was fair. I’m an political activist and I go on fighting because I go on thinking my fight is fair.
Come on people, have we learned nothing?
We should know full well by now what happens any time someone proposes a mysteriously named “project” that will bring a new world order. Sooner or later, either James Bond or Doctor Who will have to get involved to expose their megalomania, and it’ll all end in tears. Mark my words.
FOILED! >:(
if you got a religious person as a leader, they wont get an alpha male complex, due to fear of someone higher than them in the power hierarchy
sooooooo In conclusion, and everyone agrees (even gouessej), we need a religious fanatic dictactor to fix the world.
peace out! 8)
To be proven wrong is release from ignorance. If someone has a better route to take our society then all the better. But we cannot keep going on with this one. The US is already preparing for the collapse of the current monetary system. Have you all heard of the Amero?
The Amero is the new money that will be apart of the newly combined Canada, US, and Mexico. http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1954933468700958565&hl=es
I hope you don’t take this video as a complete lie. But the internet is the most free form of expression. Although some people will use it to start bullshit. But we must all do our research and connect the dots. Watch and start preparing for something, even Obama says that this will all get worse before it gets better. How can you be sure this wont happen. Just prepare.
Good luck to us all.
Gouessej, and everyone thats interested, here is an interview with Peter Joseph. The guy who made Zeitgeist.
Gouessej if you listen to the third one, it will clear up some stuff on labeling what this system is.
But really listen to it all.