Within 2 months appearantly..

I bet it will be released under the Common Development and Distribution License (CDDL), because the new Netbeans 5.5 is… ::slight_smile:

I came across this appearantly there are still a lot of options open.

Don’t worry, I won’t discuss DirectX again here. I’m using the result of that discussion to examplify my point on the current topic. I think the most important result of Java being open sourced is the attitude change towards the language that will follow. From the DirectX discussion it became clear to me that many still hold the fundamentalist view of Java fostered during the early hype days. Java isn’t just any language. It’s the language that will change the world and save us from evil. So Java just cannot support DirectX because it represents the black forces.

I was quite surprised to find this religious attitude towards Java still so strong. Hopefully it will finally disappear now and that would be a good thing because it has hampered Java for so long.

Okay now oNyx you can continue your discussion of stripped down deliveries or whatever it was you found so important. In my view such petty details are of lesser importance.

So Java just cannot support DirectX because it represents the black forces.

Wrong, wrong and wrong. I already told you that no one is against a dx binding. Its just… no one wanted to write one so far.

You dont listen.

Looks like its official that the license will be GPL v2.

http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1895,2055994,00.asp

[quote]Specifically, Sun is releasing an implementation of Java SE in the Java.net community: Java HotSpot technology, the Java programming language compiler and JavaHelp software.

The company also expects to release a buildable JDK in the first quarter of 2007, following established free software community practices for licensing virtual machines and their associated libraries.

[…]

Through the OpenJDK project, developers will be able to directly influence the future of the JDK implementation, participate with their peers in an open community and help take Java technology where it hasn’t been before.
[/quote]
There are also other bits about J2ME, GlassFish and J2EE.

GPL sounds good, but just a question about the GPL, those who are using Java to develop commercial solutions, will it become necessary for them to release their software under GPL too? remember reading something about something to this effect but not sure.

Your java stuff is from the vm pov just data, therefore its fine if you dont gpl your code.

However, if you change the vm itself, you’ll have to release it.

only if you distribute the VM.
If you use it internally, there is no need to release your modifications. Nor are you required to release the source if its used serverside to produce something (the latter a part the gpl3 wants to change)

It is actually GPL2 with classpath exception (more like LGPL) ;D

Look! What’s that on the horizon? Could it be a LWJGL-VM, stripped to a shining armature of java.lang/util/usefullstuff and throbbing with the promise of mapped-objects?

Well, could it?

In addition, can cas stop worrying about Sun’s attack-lawyers rappelling through his windows and taking his stripped VM away?

Well, not quite coz I’ll have to do the whole rigmarole again of making the VM from whichever version got GPL’d. And then I’ll have to stick the “source” up for download, except there is no “source”, it’s just a normal VM which I’ve deleted some data from. Hm. Rather confusing actually.

Cas :slight_smile:

Well, me thinks it is JSE6 sources for HotSpot and Javac out today. JSE7 will obviously be first release actually done with opensource process.

However, yep, strip what you want, publish the sources of that stripped beast, play a bit with HotSpot to add “structs”, call it something different than Java, and that’s it :wink:

Well good thing is its under a dual license, so when the FSF Lawyers come breaking your door down to arrest you for being in violation of the GPL, you can just say sorry I’m on the on the old license after they leave and the Sun Lawyers arrive just tell them sorry I just changed to the GPL.
Once again another nice recursive loop hole.

Looks like its not within too months…

Looks like its now:

http://www.sun.com/software/opensource/java/

DP