[quote]That ubiquity has obvious value to search companies, but it’s also quite valuable to banks looking to sign up new accounts, sports franchises looking for new viewers, media companies and news organizations looking for new subscribers - basically, any Java developer looking to escape the browser to reach a billion or so consumers.
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Like I quoted from J Schwartz above, he says that instead of advertising the google toolbar, the java updater will advertise a new bank account. woot woot. From what Dmitri says it sounds like J Schwartz is not describing it properly though… let’s hope!
about http://blogs.sun.com/jonathan/entry/will_java_be_the_world the link to kindle is broken as it points to http://blogs.sun.com/jonathan/entry/www.amazon.com/kindle opposed to www.amazon.com/kindle
Yes, thanks. Just feeling cynical. 
Presumably Sun appreciates how much more successful the Java Store will be if it’s well-stocked with games on launch day…?
Simon
Haha! But that comic is wrong. Sun estimates 1 billion (not million) customers. …still 100 times smaller then iTunes. Although, I would like to know if iTunes even has this.
I’m all for the Java App Store. However, I’ve never liked the updates bundled with extra apps. I guess I’ll just keep hitting the “No Thanks” button. 
So let’s say you have this website that has some applet on it.
When you discover that the visitor has no Java, you have to drag him to the download site to provide him with a decent JRE.
This is very annoying to the casual visitor already. He has to install things, click through a few security warnings and OK buttons.
And now Sun is going to distract them from your website, by showing the wonderful App Store with lots of slick games??!
No thank you! It was hard enough already! Don’t steal my visitors!
It’s just cashing in quickly, but nobody thinks about the long term user experience.
Let’s see how long it takes to go down like RealPlayer.
My games drive people to my website anyway - not so much of a problem. However I’ve had a lot of trouble convincing people to pay for Webstarted applications (tried it a few years ago - only had webstarted version up - conversion rate plummeted).
Installing a good JVM isn’t too much of a problem on Windows for most users - it’s as quick and painless as Flash. MacOS and Linux are boned though.
Cas
Currently yes, but the Java Store might/will change that. I don’t want my customers to see any other (competitive?) product during JRE installation!
You never heard about the Java deployment toolkit, which download and installs any JRE version automatically?
There’s no such thing as “automatic”, and “painless” is also a rare adjective.
Still. Meh.
Cas
With a few Javascript lines of code the JRE gets downloaded and installed. That’s what I call automatic.
What market are they targetting here?
A. The desktop?
B. The mobile phone?
C. The cloud?
D. All of the above?
I ask because different news site interpret it differently.
As I said in another web about this news: If I have not to invest in a Mac and an iPhone, it’s already better.
Well I believe it would be at least desktop and mobile and maybe everything else JavaFX will target.
[quote]What’s in the Java Store?
The early version of the Java Store includes a sampling of social software applications and games.
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Nice ;D
I just wish it was available to the UK now.
I love how Jonathan is using some of Chris’es one-liners(for lack of a better word)
"you should make it trivially easy… "
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(while introducing the java store at java one.)
Hmm. I’m surprised how quiet this thread is following the Store (beta) launch. I would’ve thought that a Sun site for uploading games and earning money would attract more discussion. Or is everyone off at JavaOne this week?
Any beta testers want to report back on what the store’s like at the moment? Any word on what sort of annual fee Sun is thinking of charging?
Just curious,
Simon
The Java store seems a good thing but what turns me down is the requirement to sign your apps with a certificate from Verisign. I don’t know how much a certificate costs though.
Here is blog on java.net about certificates: http://weblogs.java.net/blog/wsnyder6/archive/2009/06/java_warehouse_1.html
Maybe another reason why there’s isn’t much interest right now is that non US residents can’t apply to the private beta program, and I think there’re more non US java devs here.
Call me a cynic but… there aren’t actually that many Java applications actually in existence, are there, outside of bespoke internal ones for business? A smattering of games, a few IDEs, and … er… LimeWire and Vuze. And the majority of those just listed are free…?
Cas