this forum software is a DISGRACE to SUN

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#21

I agree that this forum should better be implemented in java but i do understand that this basically limits the choice to JIVE (albeit it wasn’t too expensive the last time i checked it out). If JIVE isn’t an option for whatever reasons then the air is getting thin.
Another problem with promoting java for forums and similar applications is, that no one has it. Try to find a provider that offers JSP/Servlet-support at a reasonable price. I haven’t found any. Everyone and his mother supports PHP and CGI, some even offer ASP…but JSP?

Oh, and i agree on the demos. People have to see what is possible with java and these demos should be decently looking…not just tech demos made by coders for coders. The user is not interested in feature X and Y but it has to look good and play fine. The feedback i’m getting about my site (http://www.jpct.net) often includes phrases like “i never thought that this is possible in java”…and some of these people have used java in their daily work for years. That is a fundamental problem. These people would never consider to use java for anything else then server-side application development (and maybe some swing-applications) until you show them that it’s possible.

#22

ok, “me too”… I think it would be best if the forums were done with Java. But I also see web forums and Gamiong as so completely different that I do not think the “wrong” message is quite as strong a message as others seem to think it is.

This is free forum software that works - why not use it? We know that Jive works too, but it isn’t free… Hey the message I’m getting is that people are making money with Java but not PHP :stuck_out_tongue:

The more important thing IMHO is examples of Java games including the Grand Prix demo, Cosm, etc… These sort of technology demonstrations are what will convince people that Java will work for games, forum software written in Java goes nowhere in proving that point.

#23

OK the lastword on this site not being java based=>
http://www.java-gaming.org/cgi-bin/JGOForums/YaBB.cgi?board=volunteer;action=display;num=1035493645;start=0

seems it didnt like the use of B*itchin changed it to somethin else.

Do you want a real topic=>
http://www.java-gaming.org/cgi-bin/JGOForums/YaBB.cgi?board=suggestions;action=display;num=1035494085

#24

Just found this today: http://www.mvnforum.com/mvnforumweb/index.jsp

It’s open-source, and it’s all J2EE based. Didn’t have a long look at it, though.

#25

cool board. looks fast and also looks like a copy of this one…

#26

Looked at the software. Guys, it can’t compare to this software, sorry. It’s still in beta and the feature set is quite lacking. It may look similar, but it is just not as good. Sorry!

Let’s get back to game development.

-Chris

#27

morbo sorry for misleading you, the link above was supposed to be tongue in cheek. Though interesting, the question of changing the BB was determined to be trivial.

Saving grace is that even Chris didnt get it, he almost asked Zorak to eat us ;D

Chris you can wipe the topic if you wish.
PS I just started watching space ghost because of your avatar. (for anyone in the UK channel 244 on sky)

#28

[quote]Looked at the software. Guys, it can’t compare to this software, sorry. It’s still in beta and the feature set is quite lacking. It may look similar, but it is just not as good. Sorry!
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Mhh. yes, would certainly be worse than having a non java board.
Back to code. already too much energy lost here…

#29

While I really don’t care about the software that the forum uses (it is a forum after all), this wouldn’t be the first time that I would complain about Sun not using its own technology.

The fact that the J2ME preverifier is in C is just a slap in the face IMHO. “Portable software is great, portable software is good, just port the preverifier to the Mac and you’re all set?”

Hmmm… but I digress.

#30

pepe me ?? Stone ??? Wahahaha [defiant ROTFL]
I like the caption. Thats just herb in the background right :wink:

#31

bah!

Listen to me!

Don’t we use phones even though they are developed by some silly company?

  • Yeah, but this i actually sun!(someone claims)

Some years ago(like three or something) I woked at ericson, they actually used Nokia monitors to their computers.

Think of it.

At the bottom line it’s always money that makes sense.
If, this forum were written in java(which is highly possible and I think you all agree) would that make it outstanding?

Isn’t there any reason to belive that folks would think “yeah, there’s another forum like all others”?

I don’t care too much. At the bootom line a forum is about sharing knowledge and not the unique/outstanding design of it.

The bad/good thing is that this is the reality, if the one with the money finds a tool that’s cheaper than developing a tool that does the same thing, why develop it?

Why does java come with a great packages of classes when you could write all yourself using jni?

Why do you get so happy when finding a package doing the hard work for you easy?

This cgi-stuff may look bad to us, but, do you really think that a forum is some kind of high-end software? I rather accept great quality gfx-handling in java than a bullet-list in my messages!

sod-off!
g’night.
(It still would be nice with this forum using jsp, but, is it worth it?)

(excuse all english errors(if any), I’m a stupied swede you know…)

#32

huh
Which brings me to another point kids -
Dont smoke crack and post ;D

Chris please lock this topic please :stuck_out_tongue:

#33
  1. Some people can’t express themselves as clearly as others in writing.
  2. Locking topics should be a serious decision…

Apparently the choice has been made in this particular case of the forum software regardless of whether a Java solution exists, but the discussion/topic is still interesting and pretty relevant if others want to post in it (see my suggestion re: an OT forum, this would be a good candidate for being moved there)

Edit: try writing your post in swedish and ask him how coherent it sounds lol

#34

OK so lets assume for a moment you dont have a sense of humor.

Re-read the post paying attention not to artistic expression per se, or even the spelling.
It wouldnt make sense in any language, now would it.
I like how the artist struggles with his grasp of reality; you can almost feel his pain as his alter ego takes hold in the end, all becoming clear.

[quote]sod-off!
g’night.
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I speak a few languages (maybe not Swedish) but I tell you they never loose that much in the translation.
As for the topic, its good practice not to complain about the decor when invited into a hosts house. That again could just be me.

Fair is fair though and etromic if I was rude I am humbly sorry.

#35

sorry :slight_smile: was a bit drunk and lost control :slight_smile: Funny people actually read it!

Anyone knows how to get notified on posting in all topics? Like in the old software?

/o

#36

[quote] pepe me ?? Stone Wahahaha [defiant ROTFL]
I like the caption. Thats just herb in the background right
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hehe… that was not… not there. ;D
These were laurel wreath for a antique roman night. Man, what an orgy it was !!!
Hum… we really need an off topic section. :stuck_out_tongue:

#37

etromic I thought so, I used to post after a long session 2 :slight_smile:
pepe Hail pepe Hehehe (no toga smiley)

Its good to know that we all have ways of relaxing.

Yeah Markus was not wrong there OT needed (especially for me)

#38

[quote]My answer: Why would I risk studying java for games when you won’t even run the forum and web site on java technology. If java is too cumbersome or unreliable (which is the message you unknowingly send) to use for a web site then why would I want - take the path less traveled and hope to make the next generation of games with java.
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You’re absolutely right. Sun is wrong. Sun should follow the example of other game development sites. Most games are written in C++. That is exactly why other games-programming related www-sites are C++ powered using browser-specific DirectX Plugins, right?

;D