Registration Activation Quiz

This forum is a private service offered for free. If Riven would like a new user to upload a movie of him or her singing a christmas song to prove that he or she is not a bot that would be perfectly allowable ;D Answering a couple of questions such as the registration activation quiz is such a minor effort compared to the value you get that I really do not see what the problem is. Anyone too lazy to google the answers to a few questions is most likely too lazy to be serious about game development anyway.

An if it does change it will only get harder.

This forum is a private service offered for free. If Riven would like a new user to upload a movie of him or her singing a christmas song to prove that he or she is not a bot that would be perfectly allowable ;D Answering a couple of questions such as the registration activation quiz is such a minor effort compared to the value you get that I really do not see what the problem is. Anyone too lazy to google the answers to a few questions is most likely too lazy to be serious about game development anyway.

I approve of this, Riven? “Movie of the day”! :wink:

I agree though, this thread is not really productive :slight_smile:

Mike

If I ignore complaints, I’d come across as an

[quote=“jam”]
:emo:

I approve of this, Riven? “Movie of the day”! :wink:

I agree though, this thread is not really productive :slight_smile:

Mike

That’s where your reasoning is flawed. It should be: “Wow, almost everybody participates!” If you’d ask people whether they truly liked it, you’d get different numbers as most people are polite not to hang up immediately once they realize it’s a survey. If you’d record people making positive statements during the survey, regarding said survey without being asked on the matter, the numbers would be even lower, and merely biased, as opposed to ‘strongly systematically confounded’.
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There are many effects that play into those sort of things - way too many to mention them all - but in general, results do indeed tend to go into such directions as I discribed. 3 small examples:

  • People usually won’t admit they didn’t like something they did out of their own free will (or will even change their opinion and believe they enjoyed it), because doing something they don’t like (without being paid more than they usually expect for similar tasks or time investments) is something that creates cognitive dissonance (and stuff).
  • Also generally “anonymous” people are not “polite” when they feel they are “being inconvenienced”. They don’t only “hang up” - they take all the free candy from the desk and smear the walls with ketchup before they go if it seems to them like there is NO chance at all they could get caught / identified (also, afterwards they keep on running down the street even if you run after them yelling: “Wait, You’re not in trouble! That was part of the study! We just need you to read this final statement for ethical purposes, then you will get your 5$!”)
  • And last but not least: People will only very rarely admit they did not like something (anything!) once they are part of a group where this something is a prerequisite of some sort. (You can fake a little bit of that effect btw if you’re telling someone on phone survey, that his answers are being recorded as “examples” for future subjects to the same survey or something like that). They tend to either avoid becoming part of the group or start “liking” everything (semi-relevant) about the group. Or at least pretending to.
    … and stuff like that. Don’t get me wrong, it’s still all just an ad-hoc educated guess and I could be totally misjudging the sum of all “effects” in any single situation. But usually I’m not too far off… most of the time.

[quote]If I ignore complaints, I’d come across as
[/quote]
…someone who quotes with “tactically adjusted” context? xD You do still remember, that that wasn’t something I called you (but an example taken from a random older post on the topic, from someone else, who also only used it as an example), right?

(just checking g)

Also you’re totally allowed to ignore complaints if you dislike that activity. There’s always enough people on the Internet who enjoy to argue… many webmasters just wait for an angry mob to form + overwhelm minority opinions before they do anything. Might sound like a bad strategy at first, but afterwards when everyone is already too frustrated to “put up a fight” they can still fast-read and make up their own opinion from unique / still semi-neutral standpoint - and all that without having to type anything. It works just fine most of the time.

If I ignore complaints, I’d come across as an

[quote=“jam,post:53,topic:40196”]
:emo:

Heh, you can’t distance yourself from such remarks that easily. It’s a common tactic, often seen in interviews / in journalism: you have this opinion of somebody but for the sake of having an informed discussion, you know it’s not prudent to call it in their face, but make up an fictional group, and taking fictional quotes from them, to smoothen the conversation accompanied with a subtle bit of backstabbing.

From your average televised interview, this is the underlying question:

[quote]It seems from the lack of compassion for the people that suffer from your fraud that you are a psychopath. Are you?
[/quote]
The question that is asked by the interviewer:

[quote]Some people say that your lack of compassion for the people that suffer from your fraud, shows that you are a psychopath, what would you say to these people?
[/quote]
It’s a dirty little trick, and very hard to counter, without elaborately explaining what is happening, as if you’d simply recognize this trick and refuse to answer, it comes across as you can’t take criticism.

Just as easily, I can make up this fictional group of people that agree with me, disagree with you, and take quotations like:

[quote]people complaining endlessly about things that are merely inconveniences for the greater good are total douchebags
[/quote]
and then ‘remind you’, that when you quote my fictional quote, that these are not my words. Surely, logically this is defendable, but socially not so much.

[quote=“jam,post:87,topic:40196”]
You’re practising theory, I’m dealing with reality. Observational evidence shows that my solution to the problem is effective, and it seems we have the luxury to reject people we deem not having the right mindset to join the community, without feeling adverse effects.

I hope this thread is useful in a way, like making people look for that new [ignore] feature I added recently.

Wait, what fictional group of people are we talking about now? I was quoting the fictional people from page 1 :3

[quote]You’re practising theory, I’m dealing with reality.
[/quote]
Ah, I see where this is going. But you are NOT dealing with reality. You are dealing with your perception. I know that sounds overused and silly, but perception is a b*tch. And that’s why I’m trying to bring things that might be hard to perceive to your attention.

[quote] and it seems we have the luxury to reject people we deem not having the right mindset to join the community, without feeling adverse effects.
[/quote]
How do you know you’re not feeling adverse effects? How could such effects manifest?

Thanks for the reminder. I almost would have fed this troll, which would have been a mistake.

That’s where your reasoning is flawed. It should be: “Wow, almost everybody participates!” If you’d ask people whether they truly liked it, you’d get different numbers as most people are polite not to hang up immediately once they realize it’s a survey. If you’d record people making positive statements during the survey, regarding said survey without being asked on the matter, the numbers would be even lower, and merely biased, as opposed to ‘strongly systematically confounded’.
[/quote]
There are many effects that play into those sort of things - way too many to mention them all - but in general, results do indeed tend to go into such directions as I discribed. 3 small examples:

  • People usually won’t admit they didn’t like something they did out of their own free will (or will even change their opinion and believe they enjoyed it), because doing something they don’t like (without being paid more than they usually expect for similar tasks or time investments) is something that creates cognitive dissonance (and stuff).
  • Also generally “anonymous” people are not “polite” when they feel they are “being inconvenienced”. They don’t only “hang up” - they take all the free candy from the desk and smear the walls with ketchup before they go if it seems to them like there is NO chance at all they could get caught / identified (also, afterwards they keep on running down the street even if you run after them yelling: “Wait, You’re not in trouble! That was part of the study! We just need you to read this final statement for ethical purposes, then you will get your 5$!”)
  • And last but not least: People will only very rarely admit they did not like something (anything!) once they are part of a group where this something is a prerequisite of some sort. (You can fake a little bit of that effect btw if you’re telling someone on phone survey, that his answers are being recorded as “examples” for future subjects to the same survey or something like that). They tend to either avoid becoming part of the group or start “liking” everything (semi-relevant) about the group. Or at least pretending to.
    … and stuff like that. Don’t get me wrong, it’s still all just an ad-hoc educated guess and I could be totally misjudging the sum of all “effects” in any single situation. But usually I’m not too far off… most of the time.

[quote]If I ignore complaints, I’d come across as
[/quote]
…someone who quotes with “tactically adjusted” context? xD You do still remember, that that wasn’t something I called you (but an example taken from a random older post on the topic, from someone else, who also only used it as an example), right?

(just checking g)

Also you’re totally allowed to ignore complaints if you dislike that activity. There’s always enough people on the Internet who enjoy to argue… many webmasters just wait for an angry mob to form + overwhelm minority opinions before they do anything. Might sound like a bad strategy at first, but afterwards when everyone is already too frustrated to “put up a fight” they can still fast-read and make up their own opinion from unique / still semi-neutral standpoint - and all that without having to type anything. It works just fine most of the time.

How do you know you’re not feeling adverse effects? How could such effects manifest?
[/quote]
I deliberately said that I wasn’t feeling adverse affects. How I know that for a fact? Well, because I’m not feeling it. It’s indeed all about perception.

[quote]Yadda yadda yadda
[/quote]
I’m out! I’ve got more money to make for Cas.

I deliberately said that I wasn’t feeling adverse affects. How I know that for a fact? Well, because I’m not feeling it. It’s indeed all about perception.
[/quote]
I was trying to suggest, that it might be possible that some negative effects you are feeling (or absence of some positive ones) and attributing to something else could theoretically be originating from people that simply just misunderstood what the quiz is for and you would never know. But…:

[quote][quote]Yadda yadda yadda
[/quote]
I’m out! I’ve got more money to make for Cas.
[/quote]
…that’s a valid solution too, of course, if you don’t have time to waste on discussing “potential minor optimization with unclear outcome”.

[quote]Thanks for the reminder. I almost would have fed this troll, which would have been a mistake.
[/quote]
Close enough… but I think you still need to practice “Not feeding trolls”. You know - because comments like that technically qualify as “feeding the troll”. Just in case a real one ever drops by here who’s not just trying to give (unwanted xD but still good :P) advice while he’s waiting for his compiler to finish.

^ not sure why you’re riding this issue so hard when you’ve already made your point and there is an obvious disagreement where the only course of action is to move on.

I guess that’s why you’re starting to give off an aura of flame-baiting and trolling… a more sensible person would just move on.

I know, but thanks for reminding me.
I guess sometimes I just don’t quit a discussion while there’s still something semi-relevant to answer to left because that’s sort of part of my job.

Heh, you can’t distance yourself from such remarks that easily. It’s a common tactic, often seen in interviews / in journalism: you have this opinion of somebody but for the sake of having an informed discussion, you know it’s not prudent to call it in their face, but make up an fictional group, and taking fictional quotes from them, to smoothen the conversation accompanied with a subtle bit of backstabbing.

From your average televised interview, this is the underlying question:

[quote]It seems from the lack of compassion for the people that suffer from your fraud that you are a psychopath. Are you?
[/quote]
The question that is asked by the interviewer:

[quote]Some people say that your lack of compassion for the people that suffer from your fraud, shows that you are a psychopath, what would you say to these people?
[/quote]
It’s a dirty little trick, and very hard to counter, without elaborately explaining what is happening, as if you’d simply recognize this trick and refuse to answer, it comes across as you can’t take criticism.

Just as easily, I can make up this fictional group of people that agree with me, disagree with you, and take quotations like:

[quote]people complaining endlessly about things that are merely inconveniences for the greater good are total douchebags
[/quote]
and then ‘remind you’, that when you quote my fictional quote, that these are not my words. Surely, logically this is defendable, but socially not so much.

[quote=“jam”]
You’re practising theory, I’m dealing with reality. Observational evidence shows that my solution to the problem is effective, and it seems we have the luxury to reject people we deem not having the right mindset to join the community, without feeling adverse effects.

I hope this thread is useful in a way, like making people look for that new [ignore] feature I added recently.

Wait, what fictional group of people are we talking about now? I was quoting the fictional people from page 1 :3

[quote]You’re practising theory, I’m dealing with reality.
[/quote]
Ah, I see where this is going. But you are NOT dealing with reality. You are dealing with your perception. I know that sounds overused and silly, but perception is a b*tch. And that’s why I’m trying to bring things that might be hard to perceive to your attention.

[quote] and it seems we have the luxury to reject people we deem not having the right mindset to join the community, without feeling adverse effects.
[/quote]
How do you know you’re not feeling adverse effects? How could such effects manifest?

Thanks for the reminder. I almost would have fed this troll, which would have been a mistake.

How do you know you’re not feeling adverse effects? How could such effects manifest?
[/quote]
I deliberately said that I wasn’t feeling adverse affects. How I know that for a fact? Well, because I’m not feeling it. It’s indeed all about perception.

[quote]Yadda yadda yadda
[/quote]
I’m out! I’ve got more money to make for Cas.