Cas that sounds like a great idea and I might use it myself if it’s legal, is it? What about molebox? is it like a self executing winzip with encryption?
I have no opinion on the legality.
In fact, I didn’t even hear you ask 
Molebox is genius and it’d be very difficult to argue the legality one way or the other 
One thing Molebox does do is prevent the embedded JVM from having any effect on anything else in the system which would satisfy the spirit of the license…
Cas
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Huh? That 15 MB will be downloaded in less than a minute. It takes me longer to decide what to have for lunch.
But I’ll agree in principal that the Mac market is a great target. It is generally under-served by game companies and it has the JRE (w. WebStart) pre-installed. It’s also a pretty sweet platform. There have been problems with the speed on Java2D on the Mac platform, but it has improved significantly (still has a way to go), and with LWJGL the Java2D speed isn’t an issue.
If Sun could actually get a deal with MS to bundle Java again and manage it through Windows update that would just be sweet. Essentially the Mac market is already doing that.
Include a good, auto-updating JRE with windows would be the ultimate solution.
No matter how small you can make the JRE distro, it will always be a big step to take for the users to install anything so I think making it 50% smaller would not make that much of a difference.
And if you’re talking about small, internet distributed games, they are often played by people at work and many people don’t even have privileges to install a JRE on their work PC. I’m guessing even if they have the privileges to install it, chances are that they won’t because they just want to play a game for a minute and not install things with the chance of having to reboot, because that’s just too intrusive.